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But if this assumption already starts with a divergence ( visible vs. invisible) why would the dissimilarities end there? | |||||||||||
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I believe in ecstasy, and I would like to believe in God-but I cannot.
This is due to reading St Teresa's Life and not Weird fiction, though I believe what happens in The Great God Pan is possible. I feel I miss out a major part of life by my incapacity to comprehend everyone's Truth. The major one is God, and I cannot understand the idea, the desire, and the passions for him. I don't understand how any of these arise from a person's heart. Why do atheists clamor to disprove his existence, why do believers love him, and why do most people see him as the ultimate question? Perhaps I need a trigger to understand the taste for God, but I suspect such a trigger does not exist. | |||||||||||
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I don't see how believing in god and desiring to believe in him are much different from one another... both stop short of knowing him. | |||||||||||
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I don't believe concretely in a god because I don't feel there is sufficient reason to commit to that belief, and mysticism makes more sense to me, but I'm certainly more open to its existence than I was, and I no longer believe religious people are less intelligent than atheists.
The online sceptic community contains more idiocy than my local church. I'm more open to the idea that sin leads to my unhappiness than videogame feminism, and Jesus Christ seems more admirable than Trump. |
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But I don't think most atheists have reasoned their way into it. Not the online bunch. We live in a cynical age, and atheism is the easiest, must edgy, way to be a nonconformist. I cannot talk about every atheist online, but the bulk of the ones I have met, both online and out in the open, belong to the lines of disgruntled ex Christians. There are exceptions, of course, and I am friends with a couple of them. We avoid talking about these issues and we are fine with it. It is the ones who are convinced that they are waging a cultural war against obscurantism that are the problem. The whole lot of them. They are in no way different to the Christians of the thirteen century, who would swallow up anything the figure of authority with a funny hat said. Modern online atheists are no different. And hey, they even have their silly hats as well . | |||||||||||
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I don't think those guys are very representative of atheists and they tend to be quite right wing. For atheists like myself it just doesn't come up very often because it isn't interesting or unusual. Just like I don't announce to people that I'm heterosexual.
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I asked a classroom full of students a specific question with a specific answer. The first round of answers I received were close but not the exact answer I wanted to hear. Finally, someone eventually raised their hand and told me the exact answer to the question. | |||||||||||
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You know, of course, that I'm playing devil's advocate. I'd actually love to hear a response from someone who is actually religious. They might be able to provide a better response. | |||||||||||
"In a less scientific age, he would have been a devil-worshipper, a partaker in the abominations of the Black Mass; or would have given himself to the study and practice of sorcery. His was a religious soul that had failed to find good in the scheme of things; and lacking it, was impelled to make of evil itself an object of secret reverence."
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“I do not see why certain other forms of religion cannot approach (through prefigurement of, or subsequent influence by,) the final truth of traditional Catholicism. The central event in the history of mankind is the Incarnation; this is the axis upon which mankind’s eternal destiny turns. The attitude one takes to that event colours all other assent propositions that follow from it." ~ M.S. I believe this a claim similar to the one I gave before, but with a bit more finesse. His use of the term "final truth" is, I believe, equivalent to my own use of "final cause." | |||||||||||
"In a less scientific age, he would have been a devil-worshipper, a partaker in the abominations of the Black Mass; or would have given himself to the study and practice of sorcery. His was a religious soul that had failed to find good in the scheme of things; and lacking it, was impelled to make of evil itself an object of secret reverence."
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