THE NIGHTMARE NETWORK
Go Back   THE NIGHTMARE NETWORK > Wayward Distractions > Art
Home Forums Content Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Contagion Members Media Diversion Info Register
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes Translate
Old 04-22-2015   #11
Steve Dekorte's Avatar
Steve Dekorte
Chymist
Threadstarter
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 458
Quotes: 0
Points: 32,599, Level: 100 Points: 32,599, Level: 100 Points: 32,599, Level: 100
Level up: 0% Level up: 0% Level up: 0%
Activity: 14% Activity: 14% Activity: 14%
Send a message via AIM to Steve Dekorte
Re: Clive Barker

Quote Originally Posted by xylokopos View Post
I was very skeptical about the end result when I first heard that Barker was revisiting Hellbound Heart/Hellraiser. Now that I have read the opening pages of the Scarlet Gospels I know it was a god awful idea.
The original was a metaphor for how we make our own living hells with personal anxieties (represented by the cenobites) and beautifully combined it with enough bits of western mythology to trigger childhood fears. It was existential horror.

This new book sounds more like dark Harry Potter fan fiction with Pinhead as Voldemort gathering horcruxes and wiping out wizards along the way.

"The failed magician waves his wand, and in an instant the laughter is gone." - Martin Gore

Last edited by Steve Dekorte; 05-14-2015 at 04:47 AM..
Steve Dekorte is offline   Reply With Quote
Thanks From:
miguel1984 (04-22-2015)
Old 04-22-2015   #12
Masonwire's Avatar
Masonwire
Mystic
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 231
Quotes: 0
Points: 9,779, Level: 68 Points: 9,779, Level: 68 Points: 9,779, Level: 68
Level up: 44% Level up: 44% Level up: 44%
Activity: 33% Activity: 33% Activity: 33%
Re: Clive Barker

These first pages are god-awful. The dialogue is so incredibly flawed and clichéd. I'm wondering whether Clive Barker was able to keep a straight face when writing this. Certainly not something for the "atmosphere"-thread.
Masonwire is offline   Reply With Quote
Thanks From:
miguel1984 (04-22-2015)
Old 04-23-2015   #13
Fenris Technique's Avatar
Fenris Technique
Mystic
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 216
Quotes: 0
Points: 7,514, Level: 60 Points: 7,514, Level: 60 Points: 7,514, Level: 60
Level up: 82% Level up: 82% Level up: 82%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Re: Clive Barker

Recently picked up his Books of Blood vol.1 and am making my way through it.

It's pretty decent so far.

Still waiting to see what triggered the Stephen King quote "I have seen the future of the horror genre, and his name is Clive Barker . . ."

The only other work of his I've read is The Thief of Always, which struck me as highly predictable and not particularly engrossing.

Still, the man has quite a body of work and it's possible that I just haven't hit his masterpieces yet.
Fenris Technique is offline   Reply With Quote
3 Thanks From:
miguel1984 (04-23-2015), orwell84 (04-29-2015)
Old 04-23-2015   #14
Spiral
Mystic
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 128
Quotes: 0
Points: 5,613, Level: 51 Points: 5,613, Level: 51 Points: 5,613, Level: 51
Level up: 32% Level up: 32% Level up: 32%
Activity: 7% Activity: 7% Activity: 7%
Re: Clive Barker

The Damnation Game by Clive Barker is an amazing horror-weird fiction novel

Recently I started reading The Hellbound Heart and it starts really good, sad to hear that The Scarlet Gospels seems bad
Spiral is offline   Reply With Quote
3 Thanks From:
Fenris Technique (04-23-2015), miguel1984 (04-23-2015), orwell84 (04-29-2015)
Old 04-23-2015   #15
Druidic's Avatar
Druidic
Grimscribe
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 2,913
Quotes: 0
Points: 77,541, Level: 100 Points: 77,541, Level: 100 Points: 77,541, Level: 100
Level up: 0% Level up: 0% Level up: 0%
Activity: 71% Activity: 71% Activity: 71%
Re: Clive Barker

I was never a real fan of Barker's. The Bloody Books have some good stories in them so its probably that the gent's "in-your face" type of horror is off-putting for this reader. I have no trouble with visceral horror--Shea's The Autopsy is one of my favorite stories--but a certain type of horror tale told in a certain style reminds me of the experience of walking into a bar and having a guy walk up to you, grab you by the lapels, breath his rancid breath into your face, shake you and howl, "Man, have I story for you!" Personally, I'll pass.

Forgive the shameful exaggeration. Yes I like aesthetic distance. Incidentally, Barker's Dread remains one of the most infuriating stories I've ever read. It starts out strong, promising to deliver the Ultimate horror and then falls apart when that horror is revealed to be a homicidal clown. No doubt the writer was a victim of improvisation; but the first half was so good and the second so bad, it reads almost like a Frankenstein patchwork concocted by two different writers.
And Yes, The Damnation Game was a very good novel. No doubt about that.
Druidic is offline   Reply With Quote
5 Thanks From:
Doctor Dugald Eldritch (04-23-2015), mark_samuels (04-23-2015), miguel1984 (04-23-2015), orwell84 (04-29-2015), Stu (10-19-2016)
Old 04-23-2015   #16
mark_samuels's Avatar
mark_samuels
Grimscribe
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,407
Quotes: 0
Re: Clive Barker

Nothing against Clive Barker personally, but the last (indeed, the only) time he really appeared on my radar it was because of his appearance at a little British Fantasy Society convention where he was accompanied by two burly bodyguards at all times.

I think living in Hollywood for a number of years had somewhat inflated his own sense of self-importance. As it would probably do to any minor celebrity.

Mark S.

"You have no idea how much nastier I'd be if I were not a Catholic. Without supernatural aid I would hardly be a human being." Evelyn Waugh
mark_samuels is offline   Reply With Quote
Thanks From:
miguel1984 (04-23-2015)
Old 04-23-2015   #17
Steve Dekorte's Avatar
Steve Dekorte
Chymist
Threadstarter
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 458
Quotes: 0
Points: 32,599, Level: 100 Points: 32,599, Level: 100 Points: 32,599, Level: 100
Level up: 0% Level up: 0% Level up: 0%
Activity: 14% Activity: 14% Activity: 14%
Send a message via AIM to Steve Dekorte
Re: Clive Barker

Quote Originally Posted by Fenris Technique View Post
Still waiting to see what triggered the Stephen King quote "I have seen the future of the horror genre, and his name is Clive Barker . . ."
There's a scene from "The Lord of Illusion" movie based on the "The Books of Blood" story "The Last Illusion" where the "The Puritan" puts his fingers into the head of his student and says "Now I'll show you the world AS IT REALLY IS!". That felt like a Ligottian moment.

"The failed magician waves his wand, and in an instant the laughter is gone." - Martin Gore

Last edited by Steve Dekorte; 05-14-2015 at 04:42 AM..
Steve Dekorte is offline   Reply With Quote
Thanks From:
miguel1984 (04-23-2015)
Old 05-04-2015   #18
DannySkyshifter's Avatar
DannySkyshifter
Mannikin
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 6
Quotes: 0
Points: 1,777, Level: 25 Points: 1,777, Level: 25 Points: 1,777, Level: 25
Level up: 77% Level up: 77% Level up: 77%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Re: Clive Barker

The only Barker stories I remember off the top of my head are "The Midnight Meat Train" and "the Hellbound Heart". I'm quite interested in his fantasy works but haven't got round to it yet. The two that did stick in my head are much appreciated though: The "First Native American" at the end of "MMT", and the dark sexual throb that runs through "Heart" are beyond most of the straight up horror that I've read and closer to weird fiction without aping Lovecraft much.
DannySkyshifter is offline   Reply With Quote
4 Thanks From:
ChildofOldLeech (05-05-2015), luciferfell (05-14-2015), miguel1984 (05-14-2015), MTC (05-05-2015)
Old 05-14-2015   #19
James's Avatar
James
Grimscribe
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 1,889
Quotes: 0
Points: 20,280, Level: 98 Points: 20,280, Level: 98 Points: 20,280, Level: 98
Level up: 45% Level up: 45% Level up: 45%
Activity: 99% Activity: 99% Activity: 99%
Re: Clive Barker

Maybe not a popular opinion on here, but if Clive Barker had only ever written the Books of Blood I'd still rank him as a supernal figure in the annals of horror fiction. There are many who have made the established canon of horror greats on a fewer amount of truly great short stories than are contained within these volumes, though they shall remain nameless so we stay on topic. History will be kind to this man. I just read In the Hills, the Cities for the first time in a long while. I am wowed all over again at his writing ability.

I'm a huge fan of the film Hellraiser, but ever since I read The Hellbound Heart I've been slightly irritated at how much more conventional it is. I assume it was a concession Barker had to make to appease the studio.

'I believe in what the Germans term Ehrfurcht: reverence for things one cannot understand.'
― Robert Aickman, An Essay

Last edited by James; 05-14-2015 at 04:30 AM..
James is online now   Reply With Quote
6 Thanks From:
ChildofOldLeech (05-14-2015), miguel1984 (05-14-2015), orwell84 (05-14-2015), Ucasuni (05-15-2015), waffles (05-14-2015)
Old 05-14-2015   #20
Steve Dekorte's Avatar
Steve Dekorte
Chymist
Threadstarter
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 458
Quotes: 0
Points: 32,599, Level: 100 Points: 32,599, Level: 100 Points: 32,599, Level: 100
Level up: 0% Level up: 0% Level up: 0%
Activity: 14% Activity: 14% Activity: 14%
Send a message via AIM to Steve Dekorte
Re: Clive Barker

Quote Originally Posted by James Sucellus View Post
I'm a huge fan of the film Hellraiser, but ever since I read The Hellbound Heart I've been slightly irritated at how much more conventional it is. I assume it was a concession Barker had to make to appease the studio.
I have to admit that even after being disappointed with the first chapter of the new book, I kept wanting to know what happened next. Like the box that keeps enticing you to play with it a bit more, I know I'll have to buy it.

"The failed magician waves his wand, and in an instant the laughter is gone." - Martin Gore
Steve Dekorte is offline   Reply With Quote
2 Thanks From:
ChildofOldLeech (05-14-2015), miguel1984 (05-14-2015)
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
barker, clive

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Clive Barker Mr. Veech Other Authors 6 11-28-2016 05:29 PM
"Tenebrous Tales" by Chris Barker Keith418 Other News 0 07-04-2014 08:57 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:36 PM.



Style Based on SONGS OF A DEAD DREAMER as Published by Silver Scarab Press
Design and Artwork by Harry Morris
Emulated in Hell by Dr. Bantham
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Template-Modifications by TMS