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Nihilist poseurs and tiresome decadent rebels?
Not really a rant. I love this forum and I like most of the people here but on occasion I roll my eyes at some statements about existence or human life, not because I completely disagree (sometimes I do, sometimes I dont) but the manner in which it's expressed. It can seem a bit performative.
Sometimes they're talking about the meaninglessness of everything, in a manner perhaps a bit too grand and majestic for someone who believes that. Or maybe I've misunderstood them? Why does nihilism sometimes attract poseurs, with sometimes fascist leanings? I'd like to know exactly what inspired the depiction of nihilists in The Big Lebowski. It's funny to imagine them based on real people. In dark and heavy music in particular there is a lot of this. Even some musicians I deeply respect define themselves too much in opposition to the people they don't like. I don't believe you can properly flourish if you focus on being the opposite of people you hate, you might end up even being a sort of similar yet distorted mirror image of them. Boyd Rice exudes some of these qualities so much I don't really want to listen to his music. I recently read a negative review of Huysmans that suggests he's a bit like some of this. Is he? Is it a part of decadent art to be selfconsciously outrageous? Thoughts? | |||||||||||
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Re: Nihilist poseurs and tiresome decadent rebels?
Nowadays, any sort of unusual belief-system attracts edgelords. Nihilism is pretty edgy, and fascism is even moreso; I imagine certain people like to combine the two to achieve maximum 9edgy18me. Also, the promise of destroying all moral claims attracts people that are called immoral (such as fascists, along with other political zealots).
Certain pessimists / nihilists / antinatalists lack a sense of humor. I try to use humor to soften my rantings on the awfulness of things. A little jocularity goes a long way. Another thing to consider is that people often sound silly whenever they talk about their feelings (especially those of existential dread/despair). I don't think it's a good thing to directly talk about one's feelings. I think the antinatalist / nihilist / pessimist community should devote more time to making good memes and ####posting; IMO this would be very productive. I haven't read that much Huysmans; I've only got two chapters into "Against Nature." They were written in a clear, flaubertian prose style, not the stereotypical hysteric, emotional style you would expect from your hollywood nihilist. | |||||||||||
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Re: Nihilist poseurs and tiresome decadent rebels?
I second Raul. Life is a joke, so why not laugh?
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Re: Nihilist poseurs and tiresome decadent rebels?
Perhaps inversely we might ponder the conundrum if a sentient sentence in a joke would laugh about or even see the punchline. When a constituent part of a joke reaches self-awareness, what kind of Singularity would that entail? There should be a new Turing test. | |||||||||||
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Re: Nihilist poseurs and tiresome decadent rebels?
Disagree about the second part. I find it refreshing when people can be nakedly honest about their feelings, and refreshing when they're talking in romantic language without being afraid of ridicule. Humour is wonderful of course but it can have a tyrannical presence in people's lives if every sincere utterance is just going to be undercut with humour and people saying "sorry I don't want to sound like a pretentious dick". That level of wariness about looking ridiculous is a weakness and it often gets used by friends to subtly bully each other. Is there anything good about ####posting? | |||||||||||
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Re: Nihilist poseurs and tiresome decadent rebels?
I'm something of an extreme ironist, so that naturally colors my perception of things. A bit of self-effacement is healthy. Self-love and self-importance can really ruin a person. Of course, you have to be careful with this. One can overdose on irony and be totally ruined, turned into an empty, jesting shell issuing ever-more bizarre declarations of nonsense. The most ironic of internet memes physically disgust me.
I'm not anti-romantic. The world would be a much better place if Keats and Shelley were given the respect they deserve (but not Lord Byron, that charlatan!). I'm just a very stiff-upper-lip kind of fellow. I don't talk about my feelings except in my creative endeavors. People oughtn't to be so self-effacing that they undercut every sincere utterance. They just need to cool things down, use a little less emotion. Excrement-posting is an excellent way to while away the time. It also brings people together. | |||||||||||
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Re: Nihilist poseurs and tiresome decadent rebels?
Isn't ####posting supposed to derail discussions and annoy people?
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Re: Nihilist poseurs and tiresome decadent rebels?
Sometimes it undoubtedly is. Other times, it is a social event among friends (I've indulged in it quite often with my internet pals). The latter kind is the kind I'm talking about.
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Re: Nihilist poseurs and tiresome decadent rebels?
I'm a sixth level nihilist. I won't read any book that doesn't come in a black cover. Preferably with a skull.
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Re: Nihilist poseurs and tiresome decadent rebels?
This is reminiscent of some thoughts I had on many people who call themselves atheists as reactionnaires and consequently can be called poseurs. In any event, a poseur tries on a new identity for the same reason any member of the herd maintains herd behavior: to stay or become part of a group. There is no real thought as to what nihilism, or any misanthropic philosophy, entails, as it was not arrived at by any real reflection. Anger, exclusion, misjudgment, disenfranchisement, etc. probably have much more to do with such poseurs than serious philosophical thought.
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