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Bukowski sometimes reminds me of Ligotti.
"Did you ever see that flattened cat on the freeway as you drove by at 70 m.p.h.? That's us, baby. And I scream to the skies that there should be no way, no word, no limit. Just a roll of the dice, the tilting of the dark white light and the ability to laugh, a few times, at what has trapped us like this."
- Charles Bukowski source: http://unix.cc.wmich.edu/~cooneys/po...k.letters.html |
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Re: Bukowski sometimes reminds me of Ligotti.
You don't say. Each time I've listened to "Only The Truly Lost" by Bukowski I've thought of Thomas Ligotti. "As the orchid dies without a hospital and the grass goes insane/let's say one for the lost."
But as a whole, and the way things play out on the page, Ligotti is the better writer. | |||||||||||
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Re: Bukowski sometimes reminds me of Ligotti.
This documentary is fascinating, if Bukowski is your cup of tea. Bukowski: Born Into This -- The Definitive Documentary on the Hard-Living American Poet (2003) | Open Culture
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Re: Bukowski sometimes reminds me of Ligotti.
Saw that years ago. Bukwoski is unfairly lauded by feminists.
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Re: Bukowski sometimes reminds me of Ligotti.
are you sure that he is unfairly lionized by feminists? well, lawdy lawdy
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Re: Bukowski sometimes reminds me of Ligotti.
To me Bukowski is a derelict house of stained, yellow walls and piled up dishes in the sink, of wilted flowers and broken showers. It's ugly, but there's something beautiful and tragic in it.
Ligotti is like a ruined hospital where the mad doctor will imprison you with nightmares, and if beauty exists...it's there to push you further into madness. | |||||||||||
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Re: Bukowski sometimes reminds me of Ligotti.
Beautifully put. Earlier today I came across the following poem in Robert Bly's anthology, The Rag and Bone Shop of the Heart: "The Secret" by Charles Bukowski don't worry, nobody has the beautiful lady, not really, and nobody has the strange and hidden power, nobody is exceptional or wonderful or magic, they only seem to be. it's all a trick, an in, a con, don't buy it, don't believe it. the world is packed with billions of people whose lives and deaths are useless and when one of these jumps up and the light of history shines upon them, forget it, it's not what it seems, it's just another act to fool the fools again. there are no strong men, there are no beautiful women. at least, you can die knowing this and you will have the only possible victory. | |||||||||||
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Re: Bukowski sometimes reminds me of Ligotti.
Thanks Bleak&Icy, I haven't read that poem before.
Ultimately, Bukowski still believes in a victory. There's a love for life's ugliness. That's why I don't read much of his novels. | |||||||||||
"Tell me how you want to die, and I'll tell you who you are. In other words, how do you fill out an empty life? With women, books, or worldly ambitions? No matter what you do, the starting point is boredom, and the end self-destruction. The emblem of our fate: the sky teeming with worms. Baudelaire taught me that life is the ecstasy of worms in the sun, and happiness the dance of worms."
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Re: Bukowski sometimes reminds me of Ligotti.
I just finished The Continual Condition and thought many of the poems could be considered anti-natalist, or at least bleakly pessimistic. I've transcribed one of them below; it probably isn't the best illustration. It is interesting to note how much more "poem-like" Bukowski's poetry is when he is articulating the darker side of things.
you've seen it on the barstool next to you--- it is not honorable to sit here staring at these walls the horses made for a wasteful afternoon and I sit here waiting the wine isn't working but it's a bad Saturday night for others too. then my hand moves, fills another glass. this war after all is fought finally to be lost. this time like the other times other nights other cities waiting on death. | |||||||||||
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Re: Bukowski sometimes reminds me of Ligotti.
I honestly didn't make this connection until I read the comic "Zero." Then felt lame I didn't make the connection sooner.
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