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Old 01-11-2017   #61
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Re: A Pilgrim Stranger

He's my idol, but most of the writers out there citing Aickman as an influence have no idea what made his fiction good and just think 'murk = depth' is a nice lazy cop out for their own linear, atheistic fiction. Seeing the White Dads describe their love of Aickman reminds me of Stewart Lee's comment that James Corden checking out his work was 'like a dog listening to classical music'.

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Re: A Pilgrim Stranger

Markitty's work, at least in his first two collections, seems to be just as Borgesian and Grabinskian as it is Ligottian. His influences are much more noticeable in "The White Hands" and "The Man Who Collected Machen." Not a bad thing- I think the drive for complete originality is unhelpful and often deleterious to a writer's work (a bit of imitation, or even downright plagiarism, would improve many a poor tome). We ought to reverence the past masters. I'm an unapologetic epigone- The story I posted, "The Ruined Grave," is a partial pastiche of Samuels.

"Glyphotech," though, is new ground- he seems to have digested his influences into a consistent, personal style. The old themes are there- horrible bureaucratic monstrosities, memetic abominations, bizarre, infinite hells- but he uses a style clearly his own with a number of consistently repeated motifs- greying, rotting cities, corporate non-entities meeting their doom, all told in a neutral, clear prose style.

His work just gets better and better. Who would think that a right-wing catholic would be the greatest disciple of Burroughs? (Language is a virus from outer space)

As I've said before, can't damn the Sam.
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Re: A Pilgrim Stranger

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I suspect the trend will continue now that he seems to want to consciously distance himself from Ligotti (and writing a novel about being Catholic would seem like a pretty decisive way of doing that).
Unless it turns out that his Catholic novel is secretly about Ligotti's Catholic childhood/upbringing!

Kind of interests me that in life their paths kind of mirror each other, in a reverse way: Ligotti starting off as a devout Catholic before later on moving more towards atheism, whereas Mark didn't become a Catholic until he was in his late 20's, right? Was he an atheist before that? I vaguely recall him talking about that in an interview years ago but forget the exact details.

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Re: A Pilgrim Stranger

I recall him writing something to the extent that he was one of staunch "atheist Lovecraftians" during 80s.

Burgess' comment about catholic converts is excellent and eminently relevant to this discussion, I think:
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Re: A Pilgrim Stranger

I'm looking forward to A Pilgrim Stranger.

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Re: A Pilgrim Stranger

I'm looking forward to you looking forward to future Mark Samuels releases.
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Re: A Pilgrim Stranger

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A large chunk of his audience will be those whom he gained favour with for his Ligottian fiction and reputation as '...if you really liked reading Ligotti, you'll really like Samuels!'. It's a shame he so often throws Ligotti and the Ligotti fans who made his name under a bus instead of expressing gratitude and humility, but so be it.

Ligotti's quiet dignity is refreshing. No need to pick silly online fights to promote his work. Let the quality speak for itself.
wellIcan easily falling in love with Samuels fiction regardless, despite LigottiĄs influence
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Re: A Pilgrim Stranger

Not particularly sure why Ligotti influence would be seen as negative on a Ligotti forum, but so be it.

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Re: A Pilgrim Stranger

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Not particularly sure why Ligotti influence would be seen as negative on a Ligotti forum, but so be it.
I think it might be that the comparison has been made with derisive intention in the past (i.e. that one Barron story calling him "Ligotti lite") and, like the White Dads praising Aickman, it stuck. Reminds me of a tidbit from Stephen King. Apparently he doesn't like discussing where the idea for a story came from because he feels there's a very thin line between "ah, yes, this story is about X now that I see it that way" and "why, yes, this story is ONLY about X." Samuels admitted to a Ligottian influence, and some people seem to think Ligotti is his only influence.
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Re: A Pilgrim Stranger

Ah, well I didn't mean it in a derisive way. I find his writing consistently enjoyable and am sympathetic with much of his world view, despite being an agnostic with a mystical outlook rather than a Christian.

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