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Old 03-19-2017   #531
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Mithras- There's very little in that Video to go on.

Saki used to write spirals like those into his diary when he had sex with men, but I'm sure that's all it was.

Veech- because ecstasy, beauty etc.
What kind of ecstacy or beauty do you have in mind? It seems to have evaded me since birth. No disrespect, but "ecstacy" and "beauty" seem like empty signifiers which perpetuate the life cycle for biological, not rational, reasons. It's that nonexistent "bonus" your faceless boss promises you for doing twice the amount of labor you originally signed on for.

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Re: Trump

What I find most interesting about the pizzagate shebang is how quickly people are to just ignore it and toss it aside as gibberish, when equally strange and horrible things occur on a a regular, day-to-day basis. Is it really that far-fetched? Maybe. Maybe not. There's some weird and unusual #### surrounding it, especially within the context of suit-wearing, straight-faced politicians.

Anyway, I thought this was interesting, if not hilarious.

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Re: Trump

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What kind of ecstacy or beauty do you have in mind? It seems to have evaded me since birth. No disrespect, but "ecstacy" and "beauty" seem like empty signifiers which perpetuate the life cycle for biological, not rational, reasons. It's that "bonus" your faceless boss promises you for doing twice the amount of labor you originally signed on for.
Have you played the video game Okami or read its art book? It's like a Japanese moving watercolor painting that's hard not to find beautiful, especially when dilapidated, barren areas are restored with lush gardens. To me, there is a beauty to be found in revitalized gardens and furry companions. Granted, it's not that I find life as a whole good or bad, but whenever we affirm a single thing, aren't we affirming all regardless of the walls we build? Still, I think it is preferable to have walled enclosures.

Also, you have read Thomas Metzinger and Buddhist sutras, correct? On a deeper level, one could argue there is "non-arising", which Metzinger defended in one video that I fully transcribed.

It's not that life is a blackness or void, but it's too variegated and swirling to process -- it annihilates one's "false perception in being" if the walls are broken. The opal mocks the ammonite and obsidian, it's all a pearl from one angle.
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Yes, the pizzagate thing is very strange and nothing about the sex activities of politicians surprise me.

That would be the last damn place I'd order a pizza.
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Mithras-- I think that post where you compared eugenics to Harvest Moon was very insightful gibberish. Varg's tactics for fighting the scourge of multiculturalism and anti-white political correctness have rubbed off on you. Well done!


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Mithras-- I think that post where you compared eugenics to Harvest Moon was very insightful gibberish.
Please show me where I mentioned eugenics in that post? It seems like someone lacks reading comprehension. If anything, I mentioned preserving social norms in the face of the introduction of new values. What I was arguing could be construed as more Confucian.
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What kind of ecstacy or beauty do you have in mind? It seems to have evaded me since birth. No disrespect, but "ecstacy" and "beauty" seem like empty signifiers which perpetuate the life cycle for biological, not rational, reasons. It's that "bonus" your faceless boss promises you for doing twice the amount of labor you originally signed on for.
Have you played the video game Okami? To me, there is a beauty to be found in revitalized gardens and furry companions. It's not that I find life as a whole good or bad, but whenever we affirm a single thing, aren't we affirming all regardless of the walls we build? Still, I think it is preferable to have walled enclosures.

Also, you have read Thomas Metzinger and Buddhist sutras, correct? On a deeper level, one could argue there is "non-arising", which Metzinger defended in one video that I fully transcribed.

It's not that life is a blackness or void, but it's too variegated and swirling to process -- it annihilates one's "false perception in being" if the walls are broken. The opal mocks the ammonite and obsidian, it's all a pearl from one angle.
I consider escapism the highest value like everyone else. But what does that say about the human condition itself? It says it's essentially bankrupt. We're still alive because we're cowards - plain and simple. We can talk about how intrinsically beautiful life is, but what's it going to be like when half of us are !?%#?%! ourselves in a barren room, waiting for the nurse to change our diapers? Death and disillusionment are guaranteed. Everything else is unlikely to happen. If it does, you'll feel the sting of death even more. We pessimists try to make friends with the Beast (Death), knowing the cards are already stacked in its favor.

A glorious end awaits us!

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Mithras-- I think that post where you compared eugenics to Harvest Moon was very insightful gibberish.
Please show me where I mentioned eugenics in that post? It seems like someone lacks reading comprehension. If anything, I mentioned preserving social norms in the face of the introduction of new values. What I was arguing could be construed as more Confucian.
'Why accept them? Save the trouble and just banish the Marquis de Sade and crush the skulls of the Moloch imposers a bit sooner is what I'd do! Why not? It's like a perturbation in the system that momentarily makes it unstable, but in order to preserve the previous state of affairs, some prejudice may be in order.

"Prejudice is an organic truth, false in itself but accumulated by generations and transmitted: we cannot rid ourselves of it with impunity. The nation that renounces it heedlessly will then renounce itself until it has nothing left to give up. The duration of a collectivity and its consistency coincide with the duration and consistency of its prejudices. The Oriental nations owe their everlastingness to their loyalty to themselves."
- Emil Cioran'

Given your posting history on this forum, it isn't unreasonable to suppose this alludes to eugenics.

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That second piece of art is indeed bizarre but Giger once got put up in a regular restaurant until they got enough complaints. If they like having those sort of indie rock bands I can see how art like that might get up.

Marina Abramović is definitely a bit odd but she's one of the most famous performance artists in the world, has lots of celebrity friends and owns an institute.
You should see her press a pin against her eyeball.

Aside from defending everyone from things forced upon your society (which is a given most of the time), maintaining that kind of social order you're talking about sounds bound for repression, denial, secret despair, shrinking worldviews, stagnancy and dwindling possibilities. Reminds me of stereotypical 50s American imagery and people with smiling disorders.

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Re: Trump

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Aside from defending everyone from things forced upon your society (which is a given most of the time), maintaining that kind of social order you're talking about sounds bound for repression, denial, secret despair, shrinking worldviews, stagnancy and dwindling possibilities. Reminds me of stereotypical 50s American imagery and people with smiling disorders.
I actually have a large folder of 50s American imagery showing happy, idyllic families. I like them a lot. If you want, I can share them. They show happy, smiling nuclear families with dogs and more.

I prefer calling it "Maturist generation imagery". I sometimes visit an old American lady and joyfully talk with her about how regressive the newer generation has become.

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I consider escapism the highest value like everyone else. But what does that say about the human condition itself? It says it's essentially bankrupt. We're still alive because we're cowards - plain and simple. We can talk about how intrinsically beautiful life is, but what's it going to be like when half of us are !?%#?%! ourselves in a barren room, waiting for the nurse to change our diapers?
I agree with you. I am still a pessimist and child free, but life is neither intrinsically beautiful or ugly in naturalist worldviews, I think.

I think the construction of some normative values could be construed as a form of escapism to minimize suffering. I don't like the introduction of values that destabilize the values I believe to be congenial, hence my right wing views.

I'd prefer people still view lush gardens as serene rather than a mosque.

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Given your posting history on this forum, it isn't unreasonable to suppose this alludes to eugenics.
Yes, it is unreasonable to believe I was alluding to eugenics, since I made absolutely no mention of it in that particular post.
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