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Old 01-09-2017   #71
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Re: Trump

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Are there any plans, within the weird fiction community, for some sort of anthology themed around liberal, anti-Trump message? It would be a noble thing to do, and a necessary one... And I can imagine similar anthologies popping out in other corners of genre fiction, and I think that would be great if weird fiction authors took the lead. I dare to view the contemporary weird lit, both the authors and their readers, as one eminently progressive bunch and it would be great if those who are more transgressive and rebellious that any other genre fiction scene led the way, because we need such acts of bravery and rebellion now. Thank you in advance.
As much as I appreciate action against Trump, I doubt such an anthology would be especially good. Call me an escapist but I really don't want to read about him in fiction and I imagine the stories would probably be tedious handwringing. I think if you were going to do something like that, the best thing would be an anthology generally against showy populists, nationalism, racism, fascism and all these unpleasant trends rising all over the world right now.

I could see myself giving such an anthology a bad review and have people assuming I disagree with the general stance.

Or you could have a regular weird fiction anthology that gives money to a good cause.

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Re: Trump

I would recommend you to watch this video.

It will help you to better understand what powers are really ruling politics, controlling both democrats and republicans, both socialists and conservatives. It will also help you understand the mechanisms behind WW1 and WW2, and the interests behind the current globalization and breakdown of independent countries.

John F. Kennedy opposed these powers, and said he would stop them, and that is what got him killed. Abraham Lincoln was killed for the same reason. Donald Trump has made some provocative statements that could be interpreted as opposition, but he has not taken the full step, at least not yet, and seems decided to remain part under their system.
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Probably because, ultimately, politics is more important than any writer or weird fiction, no disrespect intended. Fiction and art are not separate from the real world. They are just ways that help us deal with the real world. The idea that someone can independently read Ligotti or anyone else and not be thinking about world events seems unrealistic. For that matter, traditionally, almost all writing was aligned with a political perspective. So I would argue that "writing" and "fiction" are closely aligned with politics. If anyone has a friend who they don't talk politics with, I would guess it is not a very close friend.
Most of my closest friends I would not talk politics with. Or rather, I am willing to listen to them, but get the strong feeling such would not be the case in reverse. This is why I dislike 'politics'. "Everything is politics" is usually the preliminary to, "If you don't agree with me you are subhuman."

I'd prefer friendship to be larger than that, but, much to my horror, see that ideas of anything that can cross political boundaries are dying out in our current global cultural climate (when, with globalism, you'd think the idea of permeable boundaries would be much more readily accepted).
In recent elections and referendums there's a strong feeling that one half of the population is majorly screwing over and endangering everyone. I believe people should do their best to stay friends or at least keep talking to each other but the choices and consequences are so huge and serious it's impossible not to think less of some people for their reasonings.

In the Scottish independence referendum I voted for independence but I was still pretty much an undecided voter. If the choice comes up again I don't know what I'll do and I honestly think that most people don't have the foggiest about what would actually happen if independence won. There were so many "if"s and "maybe"s in the arguments.
There's nobody to convincly reassure that independence would be good, that we'd get back in the EU and that the rest of the UK would be okay.
I'm worried how I might be treated by some if I vote differently next time.

With brexit I think people made the wrong choice but at least some had honourable intentions in doing so. I can't find much of that consolation with most Trump voters or most people who voted anyone other than Democrats or most people who didn't vote at all.
I think people really have been terribly endangered by these two votes and its hard to imagine that most people don't on some level understand the danger. And when people dismiss actual violence and blatant displays of awfulness, it's impossible to keep respecting them the same. Friendships will be more difficult for very good reasons.

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Re: Trump

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Are there any plans, within the weird fiction community, for some sort of anthology themed around liberal, anti-Trump message? It would be a noble thing to do, and a necessary one... And I can imagine similar anthologies popping out in other corners of genre fiction, and I think that would be great if weird fiction authors took the lead. I dare to view the contemporary weird lit, both the authors and their readers, as one eminently progressive bunch and it would be great if those who are more transgressive and rebellious that any other genre fiction scene led the way, because we need such acts of bravery and rebellion now. Thank you in advance.
I see where you're coming from, but there are many, myself included, who prefer weird fiction to be as apolitical as possible. I'd rather weird fiction be a commentary on the universe itself.

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Sam at Dim Shores is starting up Resist And Refuse later this year...
https://www.facebook.com/dimshores/p...283919521556:0
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Re: Trump

I tend to find progressive themed weird fiction anthologies somewhat wince worthy, and I'm somebody who hates Trump and thinks his voters were easily fooled.

Arthur Machen taught me how weird fiction can transcend politics.

'I believe in what the Germans term Ehrfurcht: reverence for things one cannot understand.'
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Re: Trump

My favorite (and most disgusting so far) example of the craziness of the anti-Trumpers is probably the Black Southern church that was torched and left with a painted message: Vote for Trump. I guessed right away this wasn't the work of a Trump supporter. It was a black man, a member of the congregation, who burned his church to the ground. There were other absurdities as well-- the Muslim teenager in New York City who claimed Trump "thugs" assaulted her, and then ran away from home a few days later. When cops found her she confessed it was all a hoax. She was afraid of her father, not Trump.
It seems to me that Trump haters have lost all sense of reality...and perhaps sanity itself in some cases.
Perhaps we should have treated Obama this way. Well, it's never too late right?
Lot of hate out there from "the Good People."

Liberalism in its most extreme form has become the new religion. So from Trump bashers like Meryl Streep, comes all this talk about 'evil,' this love for witch-hunts and Inquisitions. People simply can't live without some illusion to give their life meaning.
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Re: Trump

So, I mean, just throwing this out there: was it disgusting when Trump bragged about real or hypothetical sexual assault and poked fun at those with physical and/or mental disabilities? I'm really curious here, as those came directly from the candidate himself. One doesn't have to go to examples of minions or misguided supporters for those gems.
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Re: Trump

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I dare to view the contemporary weird lit, both the authors and their readers, as one eminently progressive bunch
I would have thought so, too. Hang around for a while and you'll see it's not quite so

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Re: Trump

Context, context, context. All guys--and women as well, don't be naive on this point--will occasionally indulge in 'outrageous' private talk about the opposite sex. I found Trump's remarks far from shocking. I loved the pro football player who said how disgusted he was by such crudeness. Me? I'm far more disgusted by hypocrisy in human relations.
Apparent;y the 'disabled' man printed some lies about Trump that ranlkled so Trump hit back. It's not pretty but it's human nature. Life is not kind always.

I don't believe I actually had to type that last sentence at a site devoted to Ligotti.
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