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Old 12-21-2005   #1
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Mark Samuels and the Sodality of Shadows.

I've been told that Samuels belongs to a group of sorts called "The Sodality of Shadows" I found an interview with Samuel's girlfriend (a Mexican writer, and thus it is in Castilian/Spanish) and she says that "The Sodality of Shadows" was just a group for literary walks in honor to Arthur Machen. (The full interview is here
she says that in question number 14. I can translate it if some of you want)

But is that all? A quick Wikipedia search I did came up with it being a little more... obscure than just a literary group.

I guess the whole question can simply be resumed as: Has Mark Samuels been involved in occult practices?

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Re: Mark Samuels and the Sodality of Shadows.

Thanks, Karnos.

I don't know why, but after having read that question number 14, I get the impression that Sodality of the Shadows is an organization that is kept secret just in order to contribute an homage to Arthur Machen and his weird stories, being secret simply for the fun of it and it is not an occult organization which exists to keep some kind of forbidden knowledge away from the public sphere (or for any other conspiracy theory reasons). It's just what in my opinion that part of the interview seems to be suggesting. However, I may be wrong...
excuse me I HOPE i AM WRONG!!!

Mark Samuels involved in some occult practices? - well, this alternative sounds much better.

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Re: Mark Samuels and the Sodality of Shadows.

Studying the Aklo glyphs scribbled in old notebooks? Admiration of Pan or the Daoine Sidhe? I don't know. Alas :lol:.

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Re: Mark Samuels and the Sodality of Shadows.

I first met Mark in 1987. I find it hard to believe that he would be *directly* involved in occult matters. Writing about things, being inspired or interested by certain concepts - these are not the same as practising them.


Although I do sometimes find fiction springing into life like a revivified whelk within the squeezed palm of my hand.
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Re: Mark Samuels and the Sodality of Shadows.

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Although I do sometimes find fiction springing into life like a revivified whelk within the squeezed palm of my hand.
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Reminds me of the occasion when Machen commented that characters from "The Three Impostors" were coming to life

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Re: Mark Samuels and the Sodality of Shadows.

When Mark Samuels, Simon Clark and I conducted London walks together during the Nineties, I recall us calling ourselves 'The Three Impostors'!
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Re: Mark Samuels and the Sodality of Shadows.

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It has long been rumoured that the shadowy atmosphere in Samuels’ works is the result of extensive experience in occult practices. He has known associates in a number of dubious societies and interestingly in this regard his novel The Face of Twilight is seemingly semi autobiographical. He is also supposed to have connections to a cult organisation known as The Sodality of the Shadows. Samuels is a leading proponent amongst those who question the actual existence of Thomas Ligotti.
Hmm, weird, uh?

Moreover, I didn't know he questions the existence of Thomas Ligotti. Gee, for the whole year I was trying to prove TL's existence - (seemingly)successfully -, and suddenly I stumble upon a respected writer of weird fiction, Mark Samuels (praised by TL himself), who against all that's been said tries to convince people that TL is not real. This is really messing up with one's mind.

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Re: Mark Samuels and the Sodality of Shadows.

Sounds all very Nemonymal, Slawek!

Incidentally, I said earlier above:
"Writing about things, being inspired or interested by certain concepts - these are not the same as practising them."

Fiction is the real thing - all else is practising.
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Re: Mark Samuels and the Sodality of Shadows.

I remember when some 5 years ago, I tried to prove that Necronomicon was real (it was just after I've discovered Lovecraft). When I located a PDF version of it on the internet, downloaded it, paged through, it was quite something - I can say now that the whole hoax was very successful. But it has always been a hoax - now how about TL :wink: .

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Re: Mark Samuels and the Sodality of Shadows.

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I remember when some 5 years ago, I tried to prove that Necronomicon was real (it was just after I've discovered Lovecraft). When I located a PDF version of it on the internet, downloaded it, paged through, it was quite something - I can say now that the whole hoax was very successful. But it has always been a hoax - now how about TL :wink: .
I'm convinced that Thomas Ligotti is real. The body of works published under that name certainly is. There've been rumors for years that Ligotti is someone else. I've a hard time believing that a soft voice whispers nothing from nowhere and no one with no credit.

The Necronomicon is real, too. Only in its fictional context, though. What a great literary device. Thank you, Mr. Lovecraft!

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