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I think the end of this review by The A. V. Club articulates what I mean better than I do myself: |
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I find this an interesting question actually. I've often thought the same in response to stories like H.P.L.'s Shadow over Innsmouth (are the tactically genocidal actions of the government justified? If so is that much of a step from saying the actions of the Nazis were justified had their paranoid conspiracies proved true? Questions of this kind are truly chilling) Why should, both from a religious and a practical basis, hysteria be the proper response to anything? I find that a strange proposition in and of itself. EDIT: I'm going to take an unpopular view and say that the particularly religious aspects* were in fact less than essential for the character dynamic (save may be in the case of the father) which were based on usual themes of familial tensions, isolation giving rise to paranoia and peoples' resolve breaking down when faced with unexplainable threatening situations. If one says the demonic avatar is Nyarlathotep rather than Satan, thus the Christian element is false, it wouldn't make much difference. So people are probably in the clear about being associated with religious hysteria. *As opposed to Nathanial Hawthorne or Elisabeth Gaskell’s witchcraft stories where there is this Calvinist question about evil and pre-destination. | |||||||||||
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Strange indeed, but I think this point can be justified by turning to HPL-- and, by extension, Ligotti. As conventional perceptions of an anthropocentric, benign universe are turned on their heads in both HPL's and Ligotti's fiction, so, too, is the sanity of the protagonist. This could be said about the characters in The Witch, albeit from a much more anthropocentric perspective. Even though they were observant Christians, and God gave humanity dominion over the land in Genesis, He abandons them and allows Satan's wilderness to menace them. In effect, it's the theme of "nature is Satan's church" from Lars von Trier's Antichrist presented on a more literal level. (If you haven't seen the latter I highly recommend it.) |
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Okay, does the fact they're observant Christians imply that though? Perhaps I'm stuck on this very Gothic idea of Witchcraft horror where persons are all (Original) sinners in a fallen world, with leaves them open to the vicissitudes of natural and less natural forces. Whether or not it's made explicit about their being an actual supernatural element there is usually this community scape-goating idea - as isolation and morbid introspection eat away at people they begin to turn on others to avoid facing their own sins. [Even if there are supernatural witches it often comes out as a Xantos gambit for the Devil where the 'good' people end up as bad as what they're fighting] With The Witch in particular I wonder if the only specifically applicable element from Christian theology/specifically Puritan doctrine is that Pride is the reason demonic agencies are watching the family (in the hopes that one of more of them will make a worthy recruit, the upshot being a different person than was expected). Thanks for the von Trier recommendation btw. | |||||||||||
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You seen the film yet?
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I absolutely adored 'A Girl Walks Home Alone At Night', though I think it works better if you look at it as an atmospheric piece, rather than as a Horror film. | |||||||||||
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I concur. |
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I loved the style and atmosphere of The Witch, with its awesome level of creepiness and dread, but I was disappointed with the ending from a feminist perspective. I've only seen the film once, so maybe subsequent viewings will change my opinion, but I don't buy the female empowerment angle. If anything, there may be something to say about female disempowerment of the time.
That said, from a horror perspective, I absolutely loved the scene toward the end with Black Phillip. | |||||||||||
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I don't think there is a female empowerment angle. Like Justin said on the original post, she might be happy for now and she might be laughing and eating babies later but she's doomed and she didn't have any good choices.
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Yeah, I guess I wasn't referring to anyone on here with that, but every other review of the movie talked about what a feminist story it was.
I do think there were some missed opportunities to actually make it more empowering for Thomasin rather than have her be forced into an impossible and certainly un-free situation or, even worse (from both the feminist and plot perspectives), embrace such a vile and sadistic form of freedom. | |||||||||||
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