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Old 10-13-2017   #131
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I don't get why the lengthy digression about the telekinetic kid is in the story, but otherwise Out of the Picture is decent.

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Hey, Ibrahim! May I call you Abe?

I'm glad I found another who appreciates those two stories.
I've never been disappointed in Machen's later work because I don't expect to find another "Great God Pan." What I find and what I enjoy are well written works that contain echoes of those great works of the past. It's enough for me.

I'm very fond of all three stories you mention!

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I don't think his post-The Secret Glory fiction is generally as powerful or memorable, but there is the odd exception with The Great Return, N and a few others. I like Change.

I think he had mostly said everything he had to say with his fiction before the advent of WW1, which accounts for the general decline in quality, but his lesser WW1 era material at least provides an interesting insight into the period.

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I think Machen is showing similarities with "the telekinetic kid" and the damage he causes when compared to the artist and the twisted thing he gives birth to. There are more complex explanations, no doubt.

I simply saw it as using a technique from"The White People."

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The same diversion is in his novel The Green Round. I generally enjoy Machen's rambling, but at times it dilutes the impact of his work. Novel of the Black Seal is a lot more focused than something like Out of the Picture and achieves a greater unity of effect, and the same goes for The Hill of Dreams when compared to The Green Round.

I still enjoy later, lesser Machen, but I am aware of his weaknesses and how, as with many writers of such fiction, the quality tapered off towards the end, though Ritual, N and others are pleasant stories I find myself returning to.

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Actually, I enjoy "The Green Round," through you're right, it's a weak piece at best.

It just doesn't feel finished. Perhaps it wasn't.
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Re: Arthur Machen

My attitude regarding Machen's early stories is pretty much the same as my attitude regarding Lovecraft's early and later work.

I don't focus exclusively on the things I loved in Lovecraft's early tales of pure Gothic horror when I read his later tales with elements of SF (though I think these elements are overhyped; In my opinion Lovecraft only wrote 3 tales, maybe 4, that could be reasonably described as SF.)

Same thing with the differences between Borges' early and later works. You can regard it as a decline in a writer's quality (not in Lovecraft's case, I'd certainly argue) but I still find such 'lesser' work interesting and with its own rewards.

You're quite correct in pointing out the differences of quality in these stories. What I would regret would be readers, conditioned to such criticism, just dismissing these works altogether. Mistake.
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The prose of his later works doesn't sing to me as much as his pre-WW1 fiction. The descriptions of the pictures in Out of the Picture are great and worth reading the story for, but then the story lapses into somewhat dry and distant reportage when detailing the irrelevant telekinetic boy and murder spree.

Still readable and enjoyable, but not Machen at his best.

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Re: Arthur Machen

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Hey, Ibrahim! May I call you Abe?

I'm glad I found another who appreciates those two stories.
I've never been disappointed in Machen's later work because I don't expect to find another "Great God Pan." What I find and what I enjoy are well written works that contain echoes of those great works of the past. It's enough for me.

I'm very fond of all three stories you mention!

Great luck with Malpurtius.
As i recall, you have called me Abe before, Druidic, and no- i don't mind at all. It's basically the same name.

I think the later works are interesting especially in the way that they reflect and echo and distort or comment upon his past works and themes.
But then, i tend to appreciate Late Style in a lot of artists and authors and composers. They tend to be more ferocious & genuinely indifferent to reception or reputation at this stage.

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Re: Arthur Machen

I think Machen was as care free about what people thought in the 1890s, which is why he was one of the most fascinating writers of that fascinating period.

I still enjoyed later Machen, but I don't obsess over it like I do his pre-WW1 work. That period from The Great God Pan to The Secret Glory is so consistently astounding, and later on you only get the occasional glimpse of Machen's majesty, though a mere glimpse is often worth sticking it out for, as it is with The Terror's exceptional climax.

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