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Re: Octavia E. Butler against Lovecraft (World Fantasy Award).
Yeah, the old Gent was writing science fiction there. Well, the thing is when you get Gahan Wilson to design a bust of Lovecraft (that looks like an Easter Island Titan) as an award there seems to be a tacit understanding we're talking about supernatural horror and fantasy. At least that's how I see it. Besides science fiction already had the Hugo and the mystery writers had the Edgar so it was just reasonable to assume the WFA was for horror and fantasy. Stop making me think, Justin. My head hurts! | |||||||||||
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Re: Octavia E. Butler against Lovecraft (World Fantasy Award).
In my view, Lovecraft only wrote three pieces of genuine science fiction. I won’t go into detail why I don’t consider other stories science fiction except to point out that a story like The Whisperer in Darkness may have science fictional elements, but the brooding atmosphere and the final hellish revelation pretty much revealls it to be a tale of pure horror. Not to mention that the Mi-go turn out to be as nasty as we initially thought they were.
So…Mountains of Madness, The Shadow out of Time and In the Walls of Eryx. Now here’s an irony for you. Many years ago science fiction writers, including Isaac Asimov, voted “Who Goes There?” the best short work of science fiction. But Campbell’s work is pure horror. From the first page we’re told that the alien creature grew up torturing the equivalent of kittens on its native planet. The story is grim, dark, and paranoid to its xenophobic heart and is also the best thing John W. ever wrote. At the Mountains of Madness, on the other hand, was hailed by Ted Ssturgeon as “true blue” SF “of the first water.” And what convinced me was the scene in which the human protagonists attempt to understand the star-headed Old Ones and even come to admire them. (Of course, being a horror writer at heart, Lovecraft had skillfully provided us with a creature far more terrible than the Old Ones: the shoggoths.) But—again, in my view—it’s hilarious that these guys chose a horror story and willfully ignored the superior work that “Don A. Stuart” had ‘borrowed’ from… btw, hasn't anyone ever told China Mieville you can always decline an honor? | |||||||||||
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09-04-2014 | #33 |
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Re: Octavia E. Butler against Lovecraft (World Fantasy Award).
In regards to the so-called dystopian novels of J.G. Ballard... the main impression I've gotten reading any of them is that sensation that Ballard possibly wouldn't mind living in such a world. His narrators usually view the disintegration going around them with a clinical, almost scientific fascination as opposed to horror.
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Re: Octavia E. Butler against Lovecraft (World Fantasy Award).
I thought the Bram Stoker Awards were the horror ones? World Fantasy seems like a strange hybrid, which is maybe why people are uncertain what they should be feeling or who should be on the award. That's why I thought a hybridized statue would be a good idea. | |||||||||||
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Re: Octavia E. Butler against Lovecraft (World Fantasy Award).
Until you mentioned it, I had forgotten the Bram Stoker Award even existed! Fact is I've never been influenced to buy a book or check out a writer because they won an award. All awards seem like choreographed bull to me. To quote Durrenmatt: "What botches have not received their awards?" btw, hasn't anyone ever told China Mieville you can always decline an honor? | |||||||||||
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Re: Octavia E. Butler against Lovecraft (World Fantasy Award).
They should replace Lovecraft with an envelope containing 500 dollars. Basically, as it is, the people who put on these awards make a bunch of money and even if you win one you just walk home with some badly sculptured bust of a writer I don't really have much interest in reading. The last one, in Brighton, we all spent a bunch of money and were treated totally shabbily.
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Re: Octavia E. Butler against Lovecraft (World Fantasy Award).
I'll pay 500 bucks for an authentic Gahan Wilson bust of the Providence Titan! What about it, China? Come on, you can use the money.
btw, hasn't anyone ever told China Mieville you can always decline an honor? | |||||||||||
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Re: Octavia E. Butler against Lovecraft (World Fantasy Award).
Olympus is Boston?
Well...yeah. And Scranton is the Underworld. Come to me, Persephone! | |||||||||||
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