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Old 11-19-2014   #281
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Re: Octavia E. Butler against Lovecraft (World Fantasy Award).

My response to Older's pathetic reply was to point out that Peter Straub also considers Lovecraft a writer of genius, so I ain't alone. Happily, most people seem very weary of all this boring chatter, and the publication of THE NEW ANNOTATED H. P. LOVECRAFT has return'd ye focus to Lovecraft's art.

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Re: Octavia E. Butler against Lovecraft (World Fantasy Award).

I have just finished rereading S.T. Joshi's blog posts and I need to say this: He rocks. He may be blunt and acerbic, akin to kill an ant with a hand grenade, but I like to think that he is on a crusade against stupidity and politicallly correct thinking.

In other, more blunt words: He carved Daniel JosÚ Older another arsehole.

PD: Thanks for the response, Mr. Pugmire. Coincidentally, I just read Alan Moore's introduction to The Annotated H.P. Lovecraft (it is indeed excellent, but I'm biased regarding Moore). I cannot wait to read the rest. Cheers.

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Re: Octavia E. Butler against Lovecraft (World Fantasy Award).

I'm a bit late to the party but I might as well toss a few nickels in the wishing well.
I sympathize the Board's concern about representing Lovecraft on an international, inclusive award, and support the decision. I also I understand why someone like Joshi would feel insulted (even though I'm a bit astonished that he'd send his Howies back rather than treasure them like, say, CRK or Ramsay Campbell.)
However, I feel that decrying PC tyranny or censorship is a but short-sighted. Nobody on the WFA board is discouraging people from reading Lovecraft, nor are they calling on expurgating his works.
My high-school library has an anthology from Reader's Digest called "Great Tales of Mystery and Terror". It included "The Rats in the Walls"; and, wanting to turn a friend on to the writings of HPL, I forewarned this person of his unsavory views on non-Anglicans. I flipped through the story and discovered they had censored the unfortunate name of the cat. Now, even though I'm the kind of reader that cringes at overtly racist stuff, I actually felt bewildered and outraged. Later I realized that my outrage stemmed from, what I perceived to be, a whitewash of the kind of person Lovecraft was; it was akin to removing the misogyny from Nietzche and the drugs from Burroughs! That being said, there's nothing that I've seen from supporters of the decision that indicates an agenda as sinister as that of Reader's Digest, because the decision was made in acknowledgement of Lovecraft's identity. The worst thing I've seen a supporter of this decision say is that they'll stop reading Lovecraft. (Which, while unfortunate, is benign enough as they can chose to read what they wish; I'm guilty of this too, I'm afraid as I refuse to give any patronage to Orson Scott Card while he's alive--aware that this conflicts with my point below, but I wasn't interested in Card's works to begin with so it's no major loss on my end.)
Joshi said himself, this won't diminish his legacy as an author. Burroughs murdered his wife; Ginsberg, Zimmer-Bradley and Arthur C. Clarke were certainly pedophiles; CÚline, Cioran and Hamsun were upstanding fascists; Orson Scott Card is a ranking member of an organization that actively seeks to bar the rights of LGBT folk; I needn't get started with the Marquis de Sade... yet their work persists in spite of their flaws. Mature readers can appreciate an individual's art while condemning the terrible life-choices and politics of the artist.

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Re: Octavia E. Butler against Lovecraft (World Fantasy Award).

http://www.theguardian.com/books/201...ships-children

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Re: Octavia E. Butler against Lovecraft (World Fantasy Award).

Well, that's embarrassing. I was aware of how commonplace it was for Victorian families to photograph their children nude (main reason why I added the parenthetical possibly), but these testimonies from the Reverend's child friends don't suggest any foul play whatever. Thank you, Quentin; I'll edit my post promptly.
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Re: Octavia E. Butler against Lovecraft (World Fantasy Award).

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...and Arthur C. Clarke were certainly pedophiles...
I've heard plenty of rumors around that. Is there some solid research on this?

Not that it changes my opinion of Clarke, though. I've always considered him an interesting thinker and an ideas writer, but I haven't read him in eighteen years and I don't think I'll ever read him again. Not because of his alleged pedophilia, but because I cannot stand the man's prose anymore.

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Re: Octavia E. Butler against Lovecraft (World Fantasy Award).

Seems I screwed up again. The pedophilia accusation was made by the English tabloid The Daily Telegraph just before he was knighted. After the Sri Lanka police found no credible basis for these accusations, the magazine published an apology and they saved themselves from a defamation lawsuit. I apologize for my sloppy research beforehand.

My opinion on Clarke is akin to yours; he had a fantastic imagination but his prose was mediocre at best. Same with Philip K. Dick. Yet I will readily admit that Childhood's End is one of the more sophisticated post-Wells, pre-New Wave SF novels.
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Re: Octavia E. Butler against Lovecraft (World Fantasy Award).

So, here is the new statuette: Locus Online News New World Fantasy Awards Trophy

It looks much better than the old one to be honest; I always was uncomfortable with how grotesque it was, especially for a representation of someone who was so self-conscious about his percieved "ugliness".
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Re: Octavia E. Butler against Lovecraft (World Fantasy Award).

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So, here is the new statuette: Locus Online News New World Fantasy Awards Trophy

It looks much better than the old one to be honest; I always was uncomfortable with how grotesque it was, especially for a representation of someone who was so self-conscious about his percieved "ugliness".
Nooooooo the new one is sooooooo generic. I mean, I'm fine with them replacing the Lovecraft head - because it's an award, and why not. But this is about the most middle of the road idea they could have come up with. It could be some random town council award for Good Citizenship, or a forestry commission award for services rendered to natural conservation...or an award for best indie rock album or something...who knows? Shame the controversy resulted in such an anodyne choice. I'd rather have Octavia, or the other ideas I suggested earlier in this thread.
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Re: Octavia E. Butler against Lovecraft (World Fantasy Award).

Generic? That is the last word I'd go for. Classy design with potent symbolism, and solid improvement over its predecesors.
I agree with other comments about Wilson's HPL bust. I can't say that either like or dislike his signature style, but that style transplanted into sculpture resulted in something legit hideous.
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