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Old 03-20-2017   #581
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Quote Originally Posted by Justin Isis View Post
One poster on here (Nirvana in Karma), still a teenager, comes from an economically devastated part of Virginia. He was recently arrested for protesting Trump at his university, and I believe is still dealing with some of the fallout from that.
Wow, I did not know that. Nirvana in Karma is a cool guy in my book.

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Old 03-20-2017   #582
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Re: Trump

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I've read some of Mithras/With Strength I Burn deleted posts, and there's plenty of internal contradictions within them. He proclaims to be a pessimist and yet is also optimistic enough to be a transhumanist (eh...he also wants to do human experiment on ISIS). He denounces Clinton as a war-hawk, yet wouldn't mind going to the Middle East and finishes Islam for good.

I don't think these internal contradictions are bad, on the contrary they are quite invigorating. Possessed by the feelings of being misunderstood, denigrated, alone against the world, every advice and outcry feed his fire. I applaud Robert and Justin for their sincere effort to relieve his tension, but it's not going to work.
Every human being is a contradiction. More often than not, intellectuals tend to have idiosyncratic beliefs. I view Mithras' hatred of Islam in the same way I view Nietzsche's hatred of Christianity. Granted, I'm not in possession of all the facts; unfortunately for them, that's something moderators have to deal with. However, speaking for myself, I can say that Mithras has treated me with respect.

If I'm having a pleasant conversation with someone intelligent, a conversation in which something controversial arises, I don't dare attempt to try and refute them, nor do I provoke them. What I do is simply veer the conversation in a different direction. Changing the opinion of someone intelligent is a formidable task. I simply assume they have deep seated reasons for why they believe the way they do, reasons which are usually accompanied by a great deal of pain.

I'm willing to bet everyone here has some belief which the average person would consider repulsive. Some of us are just more shy than others.

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Old 03-20-2017   #583
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Re: Trump

Even if I can't successfully refute someone's argument, I feel a responsibility to at least note my strong objection to some ideas. Like putting up a traffic sign letting people know there's a dangerous path that shouldn't be taken.
There can be consequences for letting things slide, even if you have no hope of convincing the other person. And it means something to show that you care about James and Ibrahim being insulted the way they were. It's a good way to maintain a community.

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Re: Trump

Quote Originally Posted by nihilsum View Post
About the electoral college: that's exactly what I was saying. The democrats didn't push hard enough to sway electoral votes in the states that gave Trump his victory.
Ok - you meant electoral votes rather than electors. I inferred that you meant the late attempts to flip how the electors - as in delegates - voted.

In hindsight, I don't think the Democrats could have won this election due to the "watch it burn" mindset I mentioned before. I once thought that Sanders would have cinched it, but now I wonder how many Clinton supporters would have sat home and if Sanders would have motivated independents to the poles.
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@Mr. Veech: Mithras has treated me with respect as well and I'm not discrediting his intelligence. However, I don't think his hatred for Islam is an idiosyncratic belief but a core part of his being.

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Re: Trump

Quote Originally Posted by Druidic View Post
'Fraid not lol. Pennsylvania hill boys are in it for the long run.
I'm hoping that's true of the Trumpster as well!
You keep saying stuff like thisólet's see how things turn out, let's give him a chance, etc.

1. His incompetence as a leader, by every metric, was clear well before he was elected to anyone paying attention, rendering the "give him a chance" sentiment a dangerous absurdity.

2. He proves his incompetence on an almost daily basis, from his unqualified appointments and hires to his blatant corruption, childish pettiness, and utter disconnection from reality.

At what point do you start to lose confidence in this man's ability to govern? Where do you, personally, draw the line?

What does Trump have to do for you to decide, as many of us did a long time ago, that the "give him a chance" sentiment is predicated on an improbability?
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Re: Trump

Quote Originally Posted by Robert Adam Gilmour View Post
Even if I can't successfully refute someone's argument, I feel a responsibility to at least note my strong objection to some ideas. Like putting up a traffic sign letting people know there's a dangerous path that shouldn't be taken.
There can be consequences for letting things slide, even if you have no hope of convincing the other person. And it means something to show that you care about James and Ibrahim being insulted the way they were. It's a good way to maintain a community.
I did have both James and Ibrahim (your friend) in the back of my mind while writing that post. Both of them have also treated me with respect, so I was hoping neither of them would construe what I've said regarding Mithras as a personal attack against them. That was certainly not my intent.

I know the best thing to do is avoid everything altogether, but I dislike conflict amongst members here, my misanthropy notwithstanding. I suppose it's none of my business, but I genuinely hate seeing members, all of whom I personally like for different reasons, at each other's throats. Ironically, I can't help focusing on the pleasant aspect(s) of TLO members.

I've already accepted the fact that this place is populated with eccentrics of all kind, myself included. I wouldn't have it any other way. I imagine this website looks like a digital madhouse to an outsider. That's fine. I actually like this place, so I don't like these fractures that happen from time to time. Perhaps I'm just the neighborhood cowardly mediator.

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Re: Trump

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I've seen Strength/Mithras physically threaten people on here. He's been banned multiple times. I have to assume he's serious about caring about some kind of tradition. But I'm not sure that posting and arguing on here is making him happy. I could have said nothing and ignored it, but it's been going on for more than a year now. He's free to ignore me, but I was talking to him straight in the same way I would if we were on Skype or talking in person. I'd prefer for him to not channel self-hatred outwards into hating muslims or feeling like his bloodline is ethnically tainted or whatever. These seem like signs of a vast and unhealthy unhappiness (to put it mildly).
I wasn't defending Mithras. I can understand your motives, I just don't see how the advice would be beneficial to him or society if he actually followed through - do we really want someone advocating genocide to become a parent?
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Re: Trump

http://discourseontheotter.tumblr.co...7/slavoj-zizek

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One of my "favourite" Trump things.

Twitter Reacts To Leaked Image Of This Tragic Bookshelf In Trumps White House Library. | Someecards Politics

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