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Old 05-12-2017   #61
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Re: Aickman's Philosophy

He wasn't trying to create some sick new kind of pâté was he?

"What lay behind me was no longer any normal, familiar life, that everyday life out of which the impulse to pray raises us, with still at the back of our minds that whensoever we wish we can return. A void was behind me. And in front a wall, a wall of darkness." Georges Bernanos, The Diary of a Country Priest

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belief in ghosts is pretty much harmless
Unless you're vulnerable to being exploited by mediums or start acting according to experiences you think you've had in dangerous ways.

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Yeah, I don't know how someone can connect something like that to either conservatism or liberalism. Also, belief in the supernatural doesn't at all indicate that someone is traditionally religious or anti-science in the slightest way.
Belief in the supernatural in of itself isn't an indicator of somebody's political views or philosophy, but Aickman's attitude towards the supernatural was directly tied to his dislike of modernity and its rush towards materialism and lack of respect for the great spiritual mysteries. Again, this isn't the case of me reading into things in his fiction and trying to paint him as a conservative, which is what the Aickman poseurs on here claim I'm doing. This is based on two books of autobiography, accounts of the man by those who knew him and, perhaps even more crucially, his eight introductions for the Fontana series of Great Ghost Stories.

I myself remain an extremist agnostic when it comes to the supernatural. I wouldn't be particularly surprised if ghosts existed. I was going to put this in njhorror's supernatural experiences thread, but I suppose it isn't interesting enough. I know for a fact I have experienced the sensation of being aware of the ghostly, but whether these experiences were real or not is hard to gauge as whenever such things have manifested for me I have intentionally decided to block them from my mind and slowly the memories of the details have been eroded.

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Re: Aickman's Philosophy

T.E.D. Klein has stated that he doesn't believe in the supernatural. We all know that Ligotti is an atheist, but I don't recall if he has ever dismissed all phenomena that may appear to be supernatural. I wouldn't completely dismiss the ghostly. They seem to be prevalent in all cultures. It is probably just another case of human ignorance. Perhaps one day we will develop the technology that will explain them away.

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belief in ghosts is pretty much harmless
Unless you're vulnerable to being exploited by mediums or start acting according to experiences you think you've had in dangerous ways.
Starting with Aickman specifically, did his beliefs lead him to either extreme?

In general, the exploitation argument tends towards getting upset over how other people spend their time and money. Very few believers in the paranormal ever spend above their means on mediums or act dangerously - and even for those who do there's far more common parallels that have nothing to do with the paranormal, ranging from the Beanie Baby bubble to free solo climbing. I'd imagine a lot of TLO members spend what many would consider irrational amounts on rare and limited edition books...
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It's a lot more than money though. Mediums can be very emotionally manipulative in an effort get more money out of people.

If someone I cared about was doing dangerous outdoor activities like climbing I might want to stop them but I can respect their desire to do such things and people who do these things generally seem to know the risks they are taking and its such a great passion for them that taking those risks is the only way they can fulfill their ambitions.

I dislike a lot of collectors hobbies and yes, I'd discourage a lot of book collecting habits like buying multiple editions and signed editions and things that aren't really based on content.
I wouldn't mind having someone who challenged me on my hobbies because I've misspent lots of time and money too.

If someone I knew was going to see a medium because they believed in it, I'd definitely try to stop them. If they were being emotionally worked up and/or grew to feel dependant on the medium for a connection with deceased loved ones, I'd want to strangle the medium.

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It's hard for me to have a one size fits all stance on this as there are perhaps fake mediums out to con people out of money, fake mediums who legit believe they have supernatural powers and are helping people even if they're mistaken, legit mediums with actual supernatural powers who then withhold giving people access to their dead loved ones in one go in order to increase profit, and finally the advertised legit supernatural medium who is out to do good. I would imagine that if the latter type exists then they're in the minority. Somebody being decent is rare enough and then statistically it's even less likely to find a decent person who has supernatural gifts but doesn't use them to exploit the free market consumers – if such supernatural gifts even exist, which I am uncertain about to say the least.

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Mayhaps one of your medium friends can achieve some sort of communication with that noted conservative ideologue Aickman, in which this late gentleman can provide us with a detailed exposition of his archconservative doctrine.What sort of price would they ask for something like that? Would 1kg of werewolf fangs suffice?
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You're just lazily trolling at this point, monsieur Aickman poseur/Hidden X's alt account. Putting you on ignore until you make it past the first 14 pages of Cold Hand in Mine, so please log off Lovecraft Ezine, and go do some reading.

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Re: Aickman's Philosophy

Given the trend of dirt digging on everyone, I find it bizarre that people would try to make Aickman seem more progressive. I can understand why people would turn a blind eye to some of Samuel Delany's controversial statements but an old conservative like Aickman?

Where is this happening and who is doing it?

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