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Old 01-07-2017   #41
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Re: A Pilgrim Stranger

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I find it amusing that Mark is choosing to self-publish it despite the fact that a publisher apparently made him an offer, as in most cases with self-publishing it's usually a last-ditch resort on the part of the writer. In any event, looking forward to it greatly.
Self-publishing, as far as I know, gives the author far more rights with respect to the overall creative process. This seems ideal for someone who is as established as Samuels. He's probably satisfied with the publicity he already receives insofar as his ultimate goal (I'm assuming) is to produce quality weird fiction. Samuels is the kind of writer whose name will be passed around amidst those who have already devoured Lovecraft, Poe, Machen, Ligotti et al. It's not that he's inferior to said writers; it just means he's already awaiting certain readers, so I think he'll be fine self-publishing.

I'm also looking forward to the book.

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Re: A Pilgrim Stranger

Another update from the author of this forthcoming novel - not sure what it means.

Ligottians, Either Knock Back even More of the Kool-Aid, or Valium, than ever Before, Or face the New Reality | Mark Samuels

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Re: A Pilgrim Stranger

Dunno what he's rambling about (Brexit and Trump?), but I'll buy the book out of curiosity, as will his primarily Ligottian fanbase he gained for his Ligottian stories.

I'm a fan, but sometimes it does seem like he's trying to start controversy to increase his fame.

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Re: A Pilgrim Stranger

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Self-publishing, as far as I know, gives the author far more rights with respect to the overall creative process. This seems ideal for someone who is as established as Samuels. He's probably satisfied with the publicity he already receives insofar as his ultimate goal (I'm assuming) is to produce quality weird fiction...
You're exactly right, Mr. Veech.

Established authors with a built-in readership can self-publish and retain complete control of cover, design, editing, distribution, and - of course - profits, without losing out on visibility or whatever marketing a publishing company would undertake promoting the book.

Adam Nevill, for example, recently published a short story collection through his own imprint in order to realize those very factors, and seems to be very happy with the results.

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Re: A Pilgrim Stranger

I believe Markitty described the novel as "Waugh meets Huysmans." I haven't read any Huysmans, but I'm quite the fan of Waugh, so the novel's certainly got my interest. Also, the fact that it's written by Samuels ensures that it has my interest. I will read pretty much anything the man publishes.
Hopefully, though, he'll put it out on Kindle. Createspace, as far as I know, is a rather poor format; small print and bad paper and whatnot.
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Re: A Pilgrim Stranger

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Another update from the author of this forthcoming novel - not sure what it means.

Ligottians, Either Knock Back even More of the Kool-Aid, or Valium, than ever Before, Or face the New Reality | Mark Samuels
I could definitely use some Valium along with a few other medications.

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Re: A Pilgrim Stranger

Some will no doubt question my honesty given my earlier comments on Mr. Samuels, but I am a bit worried about his novel reaching satisfactory number of readers. I cannot imagine there being more that few dozens fans of his Ligottian fiction who are also interested in reading traditionalist Catholic novel, and on the other hand I cannot imagine that those who are interested in such a novel, ie Christian traditionalists, know of him in the first place... given that he is primarily known as author of Ligottian weird fiction, which is not a field that attracts readers with such background I think.
Though, If that independent publisher whose offer he refused is who I think it is (Castalia), then he made the right decision in refusing them as far as his reputation within weird fiction scene goes, even if they probably would have made him visible to a wider number of right wing, christian readers.

About that blog post, he is obviously angry at those Trump and Brexit threads, moreso because only two posters seem to share his views on those subjects.
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Re: A Pilgrim Stranger

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I believe Markitty described the novel as "Waugh meets Huysmans." I haven't read any Huysmans, but I'm quite the fan of Waugh, so the novel's certainly got my interest.
I would venture 'Dostoevsky's The Idiot done by Waugh'.

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Some will no doubt question my honesty given my earlier comments on Mr. Samuels, but I am a bit worried about his novel reaching satisfactory number of readers. I cannot imagine there being more that few dozens fans of his Ligottian fiction who are also interested in reading traditionalist Catholic novel, and on the other hand I cannot imagine that those who are interested in such a novel, ie Christian traditionalists, know of him in the first place... given that he is primarily known as author of Ligottian weird fiction, which is not a field that attracts readers with such background I think.
The novel has wide enough appeal for Non-Catholic (not sure who Protestant Xtians are going to take it actually) readers due to the Dickensian satirical elements + a certain quintessential Samuels device memory and psychological identity. It's certainly one of the best things he's written in terms of characterization and narrative ingenuity. A potential drawback is that to an extent it presupposes the reader is familiar with a certain period of British culture.

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Though, If that independent publisher whose offer he refused is who I think it is (Castalia), then he made the right decision in refusing them as far as his reputation within weird fiction scene goes, even if they probably would have made him visible to a wider number of right wing, christian readers.
Put this down to projection if you will but I don't think the patriotic to nationalists Americans behind Castalia would find Mark's fiction very palatable. Or if they do it proves they lack a certain sense of irony.
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Re: A Pilgrim Stranger

I'm sympathetic enough to Mark's position as a man frustrated with modernity for modernity's sake and the ridicule/absence of spirituality or poetry in modern life to ignore him not knowing what socialism is yet ranting about it constantly, accusing Ligotti of faking his emotional state, etc. These things have been discussed at length often enough to be ignored.

I think many of his baroque horror stories, lovely as they are, tended to be written in the same vein as Ligotti and popular old fashioned weird fiction writers and with this book Samuels will be writing a full length work outside of the confines of genre fiction and with (presumably) his own distinct authorial voice. It is an intriguing prospect.

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Re: A Pilgrim Stranger

Be that as it may, his novel is obviously aimed at conservative catholics and I very much doubt that those conservative catholics either know who he is or would have cared for his earlier fiction if they somehow stumbled upon it. So, I'm not sure how exactly does he intends to reach that particular audience.
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