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Old 08-17-2009   #31
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Stephanie Myer, Chris? Really? That's the author you're choosing as being ignored over hacks and lower-than-average writers?

I don't think there's anything wrong with asking for 1,200 for an Oliver book. If you can find a sucker willing to pay it, then more power to you. I doubt anyone really interested in the volume -- at least as a readable object -- would or could afford it.

As for everyone else, though there a few Oliver collections available at reasonable-for-hardcover prices, if even that is too much a number of stories can be found reprinted in places like the Best New Horror series.

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Julian, if any Reggie Oliver collection had won a British Fantasy Award you would soon find out how much difference that makes to the book's chances of being picked up for reprint by a commercial publisher, or even of getting shelf space in Waterstone's in its existing imprint. Which is no difference whatsoever. Believe me.

Also, the British Fantasy Award is based on an open membership vote in which the availability and price of a book are usually significant factors. People will not vote for books they have not bought and read. Literary ghost story collections, especially ones from specialist publishers, very rarely win such awards. Some types of book represent a minority taste, which one may well judge to be a superior taste but asking why such a book hasn't won a vox populi award is like asking why Scott Walker isn't top of the charts (any more).

I'm sure Reggie Oliver's books deserve a mass-market reprint. But from what you say, his first two collections have sold out after only a few years. That in itself is quite unusual for the specialist press, where collections are usually occupying boxes on the publisher's floor a decade later regardless of good reviews or awards.

One final note: practically the only weird fiction writer whose new short story collections have gained mass-market publication in the last two decades without novels alongside them is Thomas Ligotti.
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Julian, if any Reggie Oliver collection had won a British Fantasy Award you would soon find out how much difference that makes to the book's chances of being picked up for reprint by a commercial publisher, or even of getting shelf space in Waterstone's in its existing imprint. Which is no difference whatsoever. Believe me.

Also, the British Fantasy Award is based on an open membership vote in which the availability and price of a book are usually significant factors. People will not vote for books they have not bought and read. Literary ghost story collections, especially ones from specialist publishers, very rarely win such awards. Some types of book represent a minority taste, which one may well judge to be a superior taste but asking why such a book hasn't won a vox populi award is like asking why Scott Walker isn't top of the charts (any more).

I'm sure Reggie Oliver's books deserve a mass-market reprint. But from what you say, his first two collections have sold out after only a few years. That in itself is quite unusual for the specialist press, where collections are usually occupying boxes on the publisher's floor a decade later regardless of good reviews or awards.

One final note: practically the only weird fiction writer whose new short story collections have gained mass-market publication in the last two decades without novels alongside them is Thomas Ligotti.
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I respect you as both an extremely talented author (whose work I have read) and a shrewd judge of politics (whose opinions I have long empathised with).

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Stephanie Myer, Chris? Really? That's the author you're choosing as being ignored over hacks and lower-than-average writers?

I don't think there's anything wrong with asking for 1,200 for an Oliver book. If you can find a sucker willing to pay it, then more power to you. I doubt anyone really interested in the volume -- at least as a readable object -- would or could afford it.

As for everyone else, though there a few Oliver collections available at reasonable-for-hardcover prices, if even that is too much a number of stories can be found reprinted in places like the Best New Horror series.
Hey, don't diss Ms Meyer. I know VERY little about her beyond the facts that my daughter is OBSESSED with her books and that she is a huge fan of Muse.

Nobody who likes Muse can be all bad.

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As for your other comments......well, bleaaaargh. I think it's obscene that people are asking such sums for RO's books.

Which is why I'm going to make this offer.

I have a box - twelve copies - of very slightly flawed THE DREAMS OF CARDINAL VITTORINI & OTHER TALES - which I'll offer exclusively to members of the TLO - who have posted at least 50 times - for 30 (UK) or $60 (USA) to the first takers (air rate postage inc).

One copy per order. Email me via the TLO.

If you want two, the price will be 100 / $200 for the second copy, with 75% of the proceeds going to the East Anglian Children's Hospice Asssociation. Two is the maximum order.

I have donated circa 2-3k to the EACH in the last three years. In fact, I have forwarded them all of the 'profits' from the two RO books I have the pleasure to publish.

I make my money from other work, not publishing. I publish to break even, for the sheer joy and experience of it.

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It's also worth asking whether people setting ludicrously high prices for scarce books are actually finding any customers. They may be holding out for that one customer with good literary taste, very deep pockets and no common sense. Said customer may elude them for years. They'll halve the asking price, then halve it again, and so on until they enter the realms of sensible trade. Their bitterness at having been denied the get-rich-quick solution to their financial hardship will know no limits. They will find a way to punish the entire world.

Knowing that they are indirectly responsible for wars, famine, terrorism and global recession is the main reason why most authors are such miserable buggers.
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People would be crazy not to grab a copy of Vittorini. It's such a beautiful book, flaw or no flaw, and a great opportunity to get an otherwise very rare book for a song. It's a nice gesture on your part and I hope that the people that have been wanting a copy take advantage of your offer.

Aesthetically and in terms of content, it's among my favorites in my ever-expanding collection of prized books. Although I do like the smell of Symphonies better, and anyone who has a copy of it knows what I am talking about. I don't know if it's the ink, the paper stock, or whatever, but every time I remove it from its Mylar protector the first thing I do is open it and take a big whiff. Sounds strange, but I love that smell...

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People would be crazy not to grab a copy of Vittorini. It's such a beautiful book, flaw or no flaw, and a great opportunity to get an otherwise very rare book for a song. It's a nice gesture on your part and I hope that the people that have been wanting a copy take advantage of your offer.

Aesthetically and in terms of content, it's among my favorites in my ever-expanding collection of prized books. Although I do like the smell of Symphonies better, and anyone who has a copy of it knows what I am talking about. I don't know if it's the ink, the paper stock, or whatever, but every time I remove it from its Mylar protector the first thing I do is open it and take a big whiff. Sounds strange, but I love that smell...
And to think I thought I was the only one! I love the way it smells too -- sort of a citrus-like smell; perhaps a cross between lemons and pineapple? Whatever it is, it's delicious. The only other books I enjoy opening for their particular scent are various talismanic books that have been consecrated and exposed to heavy amounts of incents at the publisher.

Perhaps this is a marketing strategy somewhat overlooked by most publishers. When looking to grab one's attention, it's always best to appeal to all the senses.

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The paper they used for HITLER was circa 110-120gms art-quality paper which is usually used for coffee-table style art books. That's what made the book so heavy and expensive to produce!
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PS. I'll get back to everybody who asked about the VITTORINI book tomorrow (Weds) because I'm exhausted after helping a friend move house. JK
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The paper they used for HITLER was circa 110-120gms art-quality paper which is usually used for coffee-table style art books. That's what made the book so heavy and expensive to produce!
*Conspiratorial voice* I'm hoping I can persuade the British library to let me view their copy of Hitler on an interlibrary loan. Avoiding a potential 500 payout sounds like exemplary circumstances to me.
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