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Old 07-28-2014   #1
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The Ending of True Detective

"We were warned that there would be a monster at the end, and the monster came and the monster was Hope."

Monster at the End: Pessimisms Locked Rooms and Impossible Crimes (on True Detective) - Bright Lights Film Journal
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Re: The Ending of True Detective

Thanks, Malone. An interesting essay.

Did anyone catch this at the top of the impressive list of notes?

Note: This essay will appear in the anthology True Detection (forthcoming).
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Re: The Ending of True Detective

Great post. He even used quote from Nick Land, that guy is so underrated, Fanged Noumena and Thirst are great, cant recommend enough, at least for fun and inspiring read.

I knew that someday I was gonna die / And I knew before I died Two things would happen to me / That number one I would regret my entire life / And number two I would want to live my life over again.
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Re: The Ending of True Detective

After having just finished Born to Fear - a book that cannot be praised highly enough - I feel that this quote from the last interview (conducted in 2013) sums up/anticipates the ending quite comprehensively:

"It's my belief [...] that a lot of writers consign to the page what they think will meet with the approval, especially in the moral realm, of what their society has preached to them since they were children, almost all which is utter bull####. This is particularly evident in the practice of screenplay writers who write about characters being "redeemed" in some way or other. That is, whereas a character began with a ba attitude about life, he ends up as if he had swallowed whole hog a course in positive thinking."
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Re: The Ending of True Detective

Quote Originally Posted by Masonwire View Post
After having just finished Born to Fear - a book that cannot be praised highly enough - I feel that this quote from the last interview (conducted in 2013) sums up/anticipates the ending quite comprehensively:

"It's my belief [...] that a lot of writers consign to the page what they think will meet with the approval, especially in the moral realm, of what their society has preached to them since they were children, almost all which is utter bull####. This is particularly evident in the practice of screenplay writers who write about characters being "redeemed" in some way or other. That is, whereas a character began with a ba attitude about life, he ends up as if he had swallowed whole hog a course in positive thinking."
Man, what a great and utterly apropos (and well selected) quote. As far as I'm concerned, that says it all about TRUE DETECTIVE's final destination.

Thanks x10.

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Re: The Ending of True Detective

I did not read the essay, but I guess I know what it is about. I'm just chiming in.

I really liked True Detective as a piece of atmospheric noir with possible supernatural elements, but anyone expecting a full blown, bitter end experience was kidding himself, even though they did not bust the entirety of the ring.

(this is not the reason I feel cheated by its ending, though. I don't mind Rust finding God or whatever. I mind the killer being rushed in with no buildup.)

That quote from Born to fear is unnecessary. This is Hollywood script writing 101. Rust Cohle, as interesting as he was, couldn't go down nihilist and miserable because that does not agree with the industry's feel good mantra. He's antihero chic for the nihilist chic and is well on his way to become the new Tyler Durden; just a worn out repository of cool quotes to be endlessly repeated in somebody's twitter feed or facebook wall whenever The Gap runs out of khakis.

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Re: The Ending of True Detective

Cohle is a deeply good man--more than 99 percent of the population, despite his occasional coldness and detachment from humanity. He perceives a dark side in others who may or may not have it to the degree he knows (or imagines--the imagining is what makes him into a misanthrope) they do. Like all men who feel that deeply in a moral sense, he flirts with unorthodox Christianity and goes through life like Tantalus reaching for the apple. Cohle grasps it, but at this point, even that doesn't feel good to him. He still has the kernel, though.

“The real reason why so few men believe in God is that they have ceased to believe that even a God can love them.”
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Re: The Ending of True Detective

A book recently came out featuring the essay Malone linked to in the OP, called 'True Detection.'

(For some reason the Amazon link turns into a giant box that makes this already awkwardly written post look even more awkward, so just google the title.)

Even if the show is tainted now for many folks here (including myself), if you are interested in modern philosophy (speculative realism, etc.) engaging (in) pessimistic thought, then it might be a worthwhile read. Plus, unlike the other TD anthology mentioned here recently, they didn't include Ligotti without asking him (that's not to imply he's in it and knew about it, he's not in it).

P.S. I don't know if it's been linked to here before, but this interview with one of the editors of that book, Paul J. Ennis, is an interesting read:

http://www.vulture.com/2014/02/philo...arty-hart.html
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Re: The Ending of True Detective

Although I liked True Detective, at least at the beginning, loved the scene in the tent revival, the ending was underwhelming. But what would you expect from slick HBO? I was hoping for an ending along the lines of John Carpenter's THE THING or IN THE MOUTH OF MADNESS, pure nihilistic despair. That was hoping for too much.
BORN TO FEAR! Excellent quote.

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Re: The Ending of True Detective

I'm probably in the minority here, but I kind of liked the ending. Unlike Mr. Ligotti, I've always had a fondness for redemption stories... hell, of all the parables of Christ in the New Testament, my favorite one was always that of the Prodigal Son. If they had gone so far as to make Rust some kind of Born Again Evangelist, that might have gone too far, but as it stands, I can accept it. But I do agree that the killer was kind of rushed in without a lot of build-up.

I think one of my favorite scenes from the show was the scene where Rust talked to the preacher from the tent revival scene in (I think it was) 2002, and the preacher guy said something like how he had been looking for God all his life, but had only ever really found him in the silence, or something like that. I really liked that scene.
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