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Old 10-20-2014   #11
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Re: Catholic Corner pt II

SHOUT OUT TO MONSIGNOR SANTIAGO!


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Re: Catholic Corner pt II

"Three things will last forever--faith, hope, and love--and the greatest of these is love" 1 Corinthians 13:13



“The real reason why so few men believe in God is that they have ceased to believe that even a God can love them.”
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Re: Catholic Corner pt II

This is probably the best "diagnosis" I can find for the reactionary hatred on this thread.


"When man builds up these tendencies of hopelessness to the point of seeing himself, with Michel Foucault, as an accident soon to be erased, or with Cioran becomes convinced of the nullity of everything, including all that has gone into greatness as man, he is far from continuing the pious Christian tradition of witness to the virtue of renunciation and humility based on the nothingness of man before God. Neither is he following the Buddist teaching on illusion. The fact is quite otherwise. His attitude contains no serene and transcendent view of the human condition. It is, to the contrary, a frightful grimace, a bitter, empoisoned irony, a pseudo science which pontificates and prophesies the end of man. Doubtless the thinking of a mere few is not of great importance, but this thinking has not come about by chance. It is in fact the expression of a common movement, as proved by the sudden success of Sartre and the like. Man seeks his own negation in derision, in scorn, in a disavowal if everything that had been his history and virtue up to now. This attempt is no longer spontaneous and accidental. It is formulated, intentional, and directional."

Jacques Ellul

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Re: Catholic Corner pt II

I hate Christianity about as much as anyone . No religion in the world has so many hidden closets. Knowing about the closets in advance is rather awkward. Anglicanism is about as pagan as paganism was pagan, but I guess they just can't say that publicly. Changes happen at a snail's pace. While these changes happen there isn't much choice but to grin and bear it.

and no, I don't recommend Unitarianism or Universalism because I don't think other ways of religious practice are valid to Christianity as a culture . I believe in finding those things in Christian culture and not in other ones.
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Other ways of practice are valid to Christianity as a culture. When you see interfaith chapels on every Catholic Campus, that should be, well, a sign.

Not to mention that any Catholic writer or historian or anything worthy of the name (G.K. Chesterton, Flannery O' Connor, Thomas Merton, Hans Kung, I could go on and on here) have studied other religions to a fault, and you can see that in their most celebrated works.

Chesterton's "Everlasting Man"?
75 percent of O'Connor's stories, essays?
Gabriel Marcel, the Christian existentialist philosopher?
Simone Weil, the female Christian mystic?
Most of Merton's later work....his meeting with Thích Nhất Hạnh at the end of his life?
Soren Kierkegaard?

The amount of Catholics (and Christians) who were "interested in other religions as a practice" are so numerous I actually don't think I could fill this message box with them. What Christian culture have you studied to arrive at these conclusions? The Kentucky Fried Jesus Party?

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Re: Catholic Corner pt II


Night-Side Of E-Den.. Night-Side Of E-Den

To be the Ex-O-Dus..

Lucid in bed this song in my head



A paradise Lost
(An) Eden to regain
To illuminate
(The) dark side of the brain

On the Nightside of Eden await the wisdoms Nemesis
Nightside of Eden
Nightside of Eden
To be the Exodus of our Genesis
Nightside of Eden
Nightside of Eden

(The) serpent is curling
Across your soul
Through (the) Tunnel of Set
with Sitra Ahra as goal

On the Nightside of Eden await the wisdoms Nemesis
Nightside of Eden
Nightside of Eden
To be the Exodus of our Genesis
Nightside of Eden
Nightside of Eden

The Shadow of Death
From the Tree of Life
Hides the phantoms
From Heavens strife

On the Nightside of Eden await the wisdoms Nemesis
Nightside of Eden
Nightside of Eden
To be the Exodus of our Genesis
Nightside of Eden
Nightside of Eden

(hums)

are those the lyrics ? I don't even. Probably. copy paste.

but yeah. Christianity is what exactly.
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The public image of Christianity and missionizing reminds me a lot of the fear of clowns .

Current Philosophical Zone of my head -- Absurdism.

See -> The Glotch . from Frederik Pohl , Slave Ship

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and has his own youtube channel. Vorph from this band. His persona gives me a migraine .
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Re: Catholic Corner pt II

Matt,

I've been watching the Sea of Faith series . It's really good . I'm considering joining the Anglican church, and doing the Confirmation process, I think I have to accept the creeds to do that, and I've been uncomfortable about this all because my professor is an Anglican and I really respect that , and him, but Don Cupitt ended up leaving the church only a few years ago over his Atheism which in my opinion is the valid interpretation of those creeds and the Bible anyway. God is uncreated the Son uncreated the Holy Spirit uncreated -- that's according to the Athanasian creed. the one with anathemas. but anyway. I'm tired.
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Re: Catholic Corner pt II

This is the version of the Nicene creed that I'm most familiar with . . .

We believe in one God, the Father Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten , not made, one in Being
with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he was born of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
For our sake he was crucified
under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered, died, and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in fulfillment of the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.
We believe in the Holy Spirit,
the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son
he is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic
and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism
for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come.
Amen.

and the Apostle's Creed

I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth; and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord: Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary; suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died and was buried. He descended into hell; the third day He rose again from the dead; He ascended into heaven, is seated at the right hand of God the Father Almighty; from thence He shall come to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of Saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting. Amen.



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