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Old 06-09-2015   #41
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Re: Authors, Their Own Worst Enemy

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Few, very few, writers like honest criticism. They will endure their editor and many may even admit that editors, knowledgeable ones at least, are a Good Thing. But if a writer ever asks for honest criticism...run like hell!
Due to my education and former workplace, I know - albeit not too closely - a lot of contemporary Danish writers. My rule is NEVER to read their books unless I'm absolutely sure I'll like it. Else, suddenly, one gets drunk and gives one's honest opinion, and that's almost always a disaster.
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Re: Authors, Their Own Worst Enemy

Has anyone here had a bad response from an author you were critiquing?

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Re: Authors, Their Own Worst Enemy

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Has anyone here had a bad response from an author you were critiquing?
Basically, anyone who critiques a writer is skating on thin ice. As mentioned above, although they might grit their teeth and bear it, they will almost always feel as if they are being lectured by this character:


(The people he talks to there are atypically grateful, of course.)

I've been 'unfriended' a couple of times in my capacity as editor, but I probably shouldn't go into that.

Anyway, it's a truly tedious but (it seems) unavoidable aspect of the world of writing.

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Re: Authors, Their Own Worst Enemy

I usually tread carefully, though I suppose my opinion isn't worth much because I'm not an editor.

Writing a book is a formidable task, regardless of the book's quality, so I always take that into consideration. It's something which requires far more sacrifice than most other activities. But I think that at the end of the day you are (the writer) your own best critic. There are, of course, writers out there who immediately write something and consider it a work of genius; I don't get them. If I write something, I always consider it complete crap.

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Re: Authors, Their Own Worst Enemy

I've had my drawings criticized and sometimes later on I realised how right the critic was when I was more ready to see the flaws I had created. I think it's best to try and take your ego out of it and just take an interest in different responses, even if it's not constructive it can still be interesting in some way.

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Re: Authors, Their Own Worst Enemy

Once a friend called some images of mine "sh!t", it was a little abrasive but I appreciated the honesty.

I think it's strange I haven't criticized more artists myself because I've certainly had the criticisms ready.
There's a guy who is very good at drawing but I find his political statements too obvious and sophomoric. This is difficult for me to say to someone.

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Re: Authors, Their Own Worst Enemy

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Has anyone here had a bad response from an author you were critiquing?
Basically, anyone who critiques a writer is skating on thin ice. As mentioned above, although they might grit their teeth and bear it, they will almost always feel as if they are being lectured by this character:


(The people he talks to there are atypically grateful, of course.)

I've been 'unfriended' a couple of times in my capacity as editor, but I probably shouldn't go into that.

Anyway, it's a truly tedious but (it seems) unavoidable aspect of the world of writing.
Too funny. Monty Python's younger brother. The annoying thing is, of course, that he's right about everything he says. Well....Cheerio 'bye ta ta!

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Re: Authors, Their Own Worst Enemy

"To give a person oneís opinion and correct his faults is an important thing. It is
compassionate and comes first in matters of service. But the way of doing this is
extremely difficult. To discover the good and bad points of a person is an easy thing,
and to give an opinion concerning them is easy, too. For the most part, people think
that they are being kind by saying the things that others find distasteful or difficult
to say. But if it is not received well, they think that there is nothing more to be
done. This is completely worthless. It is the same as bringing shame to a person by
slandering him. It is nothing more than getting it off oneís chest.
To give a person an opinion one must first judge well whether that person is of the
disposition to receive it or not. One must become close with him and make sure that
he continually trusts oneís word. Approaching subjects that are dear to him, seek
the best way to speak and to be well understood. Judge the occasion, and determine
whether it is better by letter or at the time of leave-taking. Praise his good points
and use every device to encourage him, perhaps by talking about oneís own faults
without touching on his, but so that they will occur to him. Have him receive this
in the way that a man would drink water when his throat is dry, and it will be an
opinion that will correct faults.
This is extremely difficult. If a personís fault is a habit of some years prior, by and
large it wonít be remedied. I have had this experience myself. To be intimate with
all oneís comrades, correcting each otherís faults, and being of one mind to be of use
to the master is the great compassion of a retainer. By bringing shame to a person,
how could one expect to make him a better man?"

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Re: Authors, Their Own Worst Enemy

Dont Attack Reviewers | Ruthless Culture

Another McCalmont piece. People are named.

Some interesting points about the wider effects on culture these things have.

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Re: Authors, Their Own Worst Enemy

Re: Kiernan asking Amazon to delete negative reviews of her work, she is constantly trying to shut others down. It wouldn't be too bad if she didn't then also portray herself as some free speech counter-culture figure all over social media. As pure a poseur as you'll find.

Ligotti's lack of web presence was a wise move. I'm sick of all the 'name' figures popping up everywhere at this point and telling us all how good Marvel movies are and why Stranger Things is Lovecraftian. Where are all the mysterious and odd people?

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