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Re: Mahler's Kindertotenlieder (and Other Morbid Classics)
His requiem isn't such a bad, morbid piece. And I enjoy his piano quintent and the piece "Labyrinths", as well. I'll throw in another Shostakovich piece that I don't think has been mentioned yet...his Fourteenth Symphony (his piece dedicated to the theme of death). My short story in The First Book of Classical Horror Stories was based on the Fourteenth (and titled, blandly, "The Fourteenth"). | |||||||||||
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Re: Mahler's Kindertotenlieder (and Other Morbid Classics)
The harp/string quartet (Conte fantastique) and symphony (Le Masque de la mort rouge) based on Poe's The Mask of the Red Death by Andre Caplet.
György Ligeti's Requiem and also Le grand macabre (which is based on Ghelderode's play La balade du grand macabre). Tristan Murail (e.g. L'esprit des dunes) and Iannis Xenakis (e.g. Pithopraktais). Amongst Liszt's also Totentanz (Dance of the Dead). | |||||||||||
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Re: Mahler's Kindertotenlieder (and Other Morbid Classics)
Morton Feldman music is more plaintive than it is morbid, but it is morbid, too.
Anyone else heard the huge Gothic Symphony by Havergal Brian? (his symphony No 1 out of thirty odd other symphonies). Daisy's choice of Bruckner strikes me as a good one... Philip Glass's DRACULA string quartet sequence... There is so much to talk about here, I don't know where to start! Going back to Webern, I need a dose of his music every morning to get me going. | |||||||||||
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Re: Mahler's Kindertotenlieder (and Other Morbid Classics)
I have just remembered two operas by Francis Poulenc which are ideal to mention here, I feel:
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Re: Mahler's Kindertotenlieder (and Other Morbid Classics)
This thread has inspired me to reorganise my cd collection - some more I have selected:
Luciano Berio eg Epifanie, Differences (and for something out of context and quite different: Visage) Edgard Varese eg Ionisation, Hyperprism György Kurtág eg quasi una fantasia, Kafka Fragmente Giacinto Scelsi eg Uaxuctum, Okanagon Sofia Gubaidulina eg Light of the End Luigi Nono eg La Lontananza Nostalgica Utopica Futura, Prometeo Witold Lutoslawski eg Symphony No. 3, Funeral music Kaija Saariaho eg Laterna Magica Arnold Bax eg Symphony No. 2 Arthur Honegger eg Symphony No. 2 Sir Granville Bantock eg Hebridean Symphony Einojuhani Rautavaara eg Cantus Arcticus Edit: More generally, the Russian avant garde compositions seem to fit within this category in particular those heavily influenced by Scriabin such as Nikolai Roslavets, Alexander Mosolov, Arthur Lourié, and Sergei Protopopov. | |||||||||||
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Re: Mahler's Kindertotenlieder (and Other Morbid Classics)
Goethe also said two things that I consider to be pertinent: "Life is a disease of matter" and "architecture is frozen music." In a sense, abstract music is a dead-alive koan: the working out of an idea in absolute music is like an exploration of pathogens from beyond ; the awful vastness of its architecture, the sonic equivalent of "Trasitoen Espiral," by Remedios Varo:-- -- which in turn seems to me to be the visual equivalent of a story from Ficciones by Jorge Luis Borges. Nicole: In fact I did mention Shostakovich's 14th Symphony in the OP, and I hope you will be pleased to know that, while I personally have not yet read your story, it has been mentioned and praised by Nemonymous in this very thread. I, too, love Schnittke. There's something luminous about his harmonies that isn't reducible to the methods of standard 20th-century composition. It isn't merely pandiatonic or polytonal; it isn't just atonal, free-tonal or dodecaphonic. It's a cohesive harmonic language made of palimpsest: haunting in that it implies and cites sounds which are familiar to us even as it decontextualizes them -- all while suffusing them with a sacred or supernatural glow. Again, I think of stained glass when I hear it in his Second Symphony. The first Concerto Grosso does it as well, as do many of his other chamber pieces, such as the madrigal, string trio and septet. His method, of systematically eroding a style or theme from a different century -- as if one were stressing a piece of fabric into a dust-worn, mold-stained, moth-train-mutilated artifact, or subjecting it to processes of mutation and accelerated aging -- is something that other composers have tried to do as well. As I said, I myself did it before I knew that Schnittke existed. Somewhere in The Trembling of the Veil, Yeats effectively wrote, masterpieces grow vague in many minds before they crystallize in one. gveranon: I'll have a look at Richard Powers even though the name of his novel -- borrowed from one of the most tasteful operas ever written -- sets the bar uncomfortably high, esp. if Powers' defects (cuteness, etc.) are as noticeable as you say. Daisy: Re Knoxville, the Pavane and Bruckner: I, too, am a fan of Barber's Knoxville setting, as I am of the death scene from Antony and Cleopatra, the Piano Sonata and nearly all of his art songs. I am equally a fan of the music of Roger Sessions. Here's to American composers who were able to remain unoppressed by optimism. I still love Ravel but am over my college days of worshiping his Piano Trio (with its movement in the form of a villanelle), Le Tombeau de Couperin, Trois Poemes de Stephane Mallarme, Miriors, "Je d'eaux", Sonatine, Daphnis et Chloé, etc. He is considered more of a neoclassicist formally than an impressionist. I adore his ascetic restraint (which is made all the more painful by his sensuality) and delicate gravitas -- which feels like a form of impassioned respect for children -- but more as a pianist and composer than as a writer. If Ravel is morbid, then it must be in a Keatsian way ("looking at life through a sweet shop window"). It is a quality he shares with Franck and Faure, who might be the greatest art song composer of all time. Bruckner can be dark in sonority, esp. when he orchestrates like an organist (expanding on the effect of the bass pedals) and specifically in the Ninth. You haven't lived until you've awakened in Bavaria to the third movement, then drifted through the glass doors of the house and out into your host's hanging garden for a seven-course breakfast on an overcast morning -- and then, for added effect, listened to the last movement of Mahler's Ninth immediately after the Bruckner ended. The world is never more paradoxical than when the sky is matte gray, the air is misted, and verdant vines and gustatory decadence overwhelm you -- all while disembodiment bids you to follow it into the caverns of unconsciousness. Uitarii: Thanks so much for mentioning Lutosławski's Musique Funèbre -- his elegy for Bela Bartok and one of the greatest morbid compositions of the mid-20th century. Luigi Nono has also written chamber pieces so spare and spectral that I consider them to be morbid: stippled with lines like ghost and smoke-swirls amid the occasional ashtray, shard of aspirin and ellipses in pointillist's dust. | |||||||||||
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Re: Mahler's Kindertotenlieder (and Other Morbid Classics)
I listened to Tippett's 3rd Symphony while reading the whole of Scrypt's exquisite post, a post that has its own morbid music, threading information with poetry. TLO (from my experience of it from 2005) has perhaps never before reached such heights, matching obvious despair with even more obvious hope. Not a religion so much as a belief in the power of humanity's (not any God's) creativity: steering away from pretentious oxymorons towards some natural oxygen of sound. PS: I love Sessions. | |||||||||||
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Re: Mahler's Kindertotenlieder (and Other Morbid Classics)
This piece is very visceral and dark:
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Re: Mahler's Kindertotenlieder (and Other Morbid Classics)
So glad to see that the list of morbid pieces is growing, and that it doesn't always conform to my own definition of morbidity. Deviations, digressions and changes of direction are important to the life of a conversation. Call them modulations into new territory -- with morbidity as their pivot chord.
I was just creating a playlist on Spotify titled "Chromatic Descension" and thought it merited inclusion in this discussion. It features pieces with a grim or elegiac tone, and that specialize in descending lines -- especially the chromatic scale. Some of the favorites listed in this thread appear there (the Crucifixus, "When I Am Laid in Earth" and "Lasciate mi morire") but so do others, and it, like the thread itself, lengthens constantly: "Jesu der du Meine Seele," by J. S. Bach; "Die Nacht," from Pierrot Lunaire; Shostakovich's Piano Trio, No. 2 (Op. 67), Third Movement -- Largo; Prelude S. 179 (based on a theme from "Weinen, Klagen, Sorgen, Zagen"), by Liszt; "Automne a Varsovie," from Ligeti's Piano Etudes, Bk. 1; the Andante con noto from Penderecki's Third Symphony and the first movement of his Second Violin Concerto ("Metamorphosen"); the fourth movement (Lamento; Adagio) from Ligeti's Trio for Violin, Horn and Piano and the Passacaglia from his Violin Concerto. I should also mention Bach's Ich hatte viel Bekümmernis (I Had Much Trouble in My Heart), particularly the fifth movement, "Bäche von gesalznen Zähren" ("Streams of salted tears"), which depicts the tears of Christ with jagged descending lines. Here's the text: Streams of salted tears pour from me continually in floods. Storm winds press against me like infernal waves, and this malady-stirred sea weakens my spirit and my life, breaks my very mast and anchor, until, finally, I totter to the ground: knees to dirt, eyes gazing downward into Lucifer's maw. -- Georg Neumark, 1657 (Pardon the liberties of my free translation.) And this is for you, blackout: My imitation (in Robert Lowell's sense) of a text taken from Gorecki's Third Symphony: "Imitation of a Polish Folksong" (for Susan Walsh) Never again Will I graze her prone hand, Even if I could weep Till my eyes became sand Even if all my tears Made a new River Oder, They could not ferry back My only daughter She abrades in her grave In an unknown bier, Though I ask about her Everywhere Is she sprawled in a gully, Arms lambasted and splayed, Instead of home resting In her own warm bed Oh, sing for her always, Paradisiacal Jamna,* Since her father can’t soothe her In this world or Nirvana And you, little fire-flowers, Blossom around her That my daughter may sleep As if loved ones had found her ----------------- * (An extinct Polish bird that the speaker construes as paradisiacal even though it was as minuscule as the chance his daughter is still alive.) | |||||||||||
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Re: Mahler's Kindertotenlieder (and Other Morbid Classics)
This is performed by the Kronos Quartet.
Wait until you get 1.11 minutes into it before you decide whether you think this represents the most 'morbid' of any music. | |||||||||||
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