THE NIGHTMARE NETWORK
Go Back   THE NIGHTMARE NETWORK > Wayward Distractions > Film
Home Forums Content Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Contagion Members Media Diversion Info Register
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes Translate
Old 05-07-2016   #41
Robert Adam Gilmour
Grimscribe
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 1,482
Quotes: 0
Points: 22,446, Level: 100 Points: 22,446, Level: 100 Points: 22,446, Level: 100
Level up: 0% Level up: 0% Level up: 0%
Activity: 57% Activity: 57% Activity: 57%
Re: The Witch

I wasn't big on Kill List, it's fine. I can see why some didn't like High-Rise, it did often feel like the story was a platform for experimentation but I liked the dreamy transitions. I love A Field In England a great deal though.

Robert Adam Gilmour is online now   Reply With Quote
2 Thanks From:
Kevin (05-15-2016), miguel1984 (05-07-2016)
Old 05-15-2016   #42
Nirvana In Karma's Avatar
Nirvana In Karma
Grimscribe
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 1,041
Quotes: 0
Points: 23,445, Level: 100 Points: 23,445, Level: 100 Points: 23,445, Level: 100
Level up: 0% Level up: 0% Level up: 0%
Activity: 14% Activity: 14% Activity: 14%
Re: The Witch

Nirvana In Karma is offline   Reply With Quote
3 Thanks From:
ChildofOldLeech (05-15-2016), Kevin (05-15-2016), miguel1984 (05-15-2016)
Old 06-19-2016   #43
Nirvana In Karma's Avatar
Nirvana In Karma
Grimscribe
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 1,041
Quotes: 0
Points: 23,445, Level: 100 Points: 23,445, Level: 100 Points: 23,445, Level: 100
Level up: 0% Level up: 0% Level up: 0%
Activity: 14% Activity: 14% Activity: 14%
Re: The Witch

Francisco Goya, Witches Sabbath (1798)

This is my life. This is my damnation. This is my only regret--that I ever was born.

-- Swans, "Beautiful Child"
Nirvana In Karma is offline   Reply With Quote
2 Thanks From:
miguel1984 (06-19-2016), njhorror (03-15-2017)
Old 06-19-2016   #44
marioneta's Avatar
marioneta
Mystic
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 170
Quotes: 0
Points: 4,134, Level: 43 Points: 4,134, Level: 43 Points: 4,134, Level: 43
Level up: 23% Level up: 23% Level up: 23%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Re: The Witch

One thing most of you fail to mention. The film is subtitled "A New England Folktale", so it must be taken as one would process any folktale. Does that mean that it was a cautionary folktale, told to reinforce the religious dogma of the Puritan Calvinists-of which it presents the best example of what predestination meant in Calvinist doctrine when the boy asks the father about the after-life destiny of his "missing" baby brother- or was it told for some other intent.
As a horror film it has its flaws, a little more ambiguity would have made it better. And did anyone notice the homage to Kubrick's "The Shining"?
marioneta is offline   Reply With Quote
4 Thanks From:
James (06-19-2016), miguel1984 (06-19-2016), Nirvana In Karma (06-19-2016), With Strength I Burn (09-16-2016)
Old 06-19-2016   #45
James's Avatar
James
Grimscribe
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 1,747
Quotes: 0
Points: 19,663, Level: 96 Points: 19,663, Level: 96 Points: 19,663, Level: 96
Level up: 91% Level up: 91% Level up: 91%
Activity: 93% Activity: 93% Activity: 93%
Re: The Witch

I've seen it twice since I last posted. Still a very good film (astounding for a horror film), but I would have omitted showing the witch explicitly early on and think the film would have been much better for it.

'I believe in what the Germans term Ehrfurcht: reverence for things one cannot understand.'
― Robert Aickman, An Essay
James is offline   Reply With Quote
3 Thanks From:
marioneta (06-19-2016), miguel1984 (06-19-2016), Nirvana In Karma (06-19-2016)
Old 06-19-2016   #46
marioneta's Avatar
marioneta
Mystic
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 170
Quotes: 0
Points: 4,134, Level: 43 Points: 4,134, Level: 43 Points: 4,134, Level: 43
Level up: 23% Level up: 23% Level up: 23%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Re: The Witch

Showing the witch early on and the ending make what could have been an excellent horror film into a good horror film. I liked the attention to detail of the historical period, dialog, clothes, setting. The film reaches a peak of terror in the final disintegration of the family after the boy suddenly appears naked and delirious. Then it sank into the commonplace trope of Satanic temptation.
marioneta is offline   Reply With Quote
4 Thanks From:
James (06-19-2016), Michael (06-19-2016), miguel1984 (06-19-2016), Nirvana In Karma (06-19-2016)
Old 06-19-2016   #47
James's Avatar
James
Grimscribe
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 1,747
Quotes: 0
Points: 19,663, Level: 96 Points: 19,663, Level: 96 Points: 19,663, Level: 96
Level up: 91% Level up: 91% Level up: 91%
Activity: 93% Activity: 93% Activity: 93%
Re: The Witch

Glad I'm not alone. It lacked the sense of brooding mystery which made Kill List and Antichrist legit masterpieces and leaps forward in horror cinema. It compromised itself to cater to the wider audience expecting a standard horror film. It's still very good for what it is, but I can't give it the level of accolade others give it on here.

'I believe in what the Germans term Ehrfurcht: reverence for things one cannot understand.'
― Robert Aickman, An Essay
James is offline   Reply With Quote
2 Thanks From:
Michael (06-19-2016), miguel1984 (06-19-2016)
Old 06-19-2016   #48
Michael
Grimscribe
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 675
Quotes: 0
Points: 17,704, Level: 92 Points: 17,704, Level: 92 Points: 17,704, Level: 92
Level up: 1% Level up: 1% Level up: 1%
Activity: 14% Activity: 14% Activity: 14%
Re: The Witch

I agree with PJZ. Think that nailed it. I wouldn't put The Witch in the same category as Antichrist (that was like nihilism from concentrate, beautiful) but it's above and beyond the standard Paranormal Activity crap that's getting mass produced like Micky D's burgers. Every now and then I want a Big Mac but the theaters are inundated with primarily that stuff. So The Witch was a nice change of pace, and I put it above what has been out there for the most part (just waiting for The Conjuring 9: We're Running Out of Ideas) but couldn't articulate why I wouldn't put it in a higher level. That nailed it though. It's atmosphere was great but could've been better and I agree that they compromised hoping it would've gotten a larger audience. Where I live it got such a small audience that when I saw it on week 4 it was out I literally had the whole theater to myself Kinda awesome but reflective of the turn out.
Michael is offline   Reply With Quote
3 Thanks From:
James (06-19-2016), miguel1984 (06-19-2016), With Strength I Burn (09-16-2016)
Old 06-19-2016   #49
Robert Adam Gilmour
Grimscribe
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 1,482
Quotes: 0
Points: 22,446, Level: 100 Points: 22,446, Level: 100 Points: 22,446, Level: 100
Level up: 0% Level up: 0% Level up: 0%
Activity: 57% Activity: 57% Activity: 57%
Re: The Witch

How do you know it's a compromise? Personally I found the film very refreshing.

Robert Adam Gilmour is online now   Reply With Quote
Thanks From:
miguel1984 (06-19-2016)
Old 06-19-2016   #50
James's Avatar
James
Grimscribe
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 1,747
Quotes: 0
Points: 19,663, Level: 96 Points: 19,663, Level: 96 Points: 19,663, Level: 96
Level up: 91% Level up: 91% Level up: 91%
Activity: 93% Activity: 93% Activity: 93%
Re: The Witch

I think that the film felt conflicted in that it played as a mystery long after its central mystery had been explicitly resolved. With Kill List or Antichrist, the longer I think about them and analyse them, the deeper and more disquieting their mysteries become, as with the best fiction of Aickman, de la Mare, Sarban, Poe or Ligotti. This film could have been like that also with a few trims, which is a little frustrating. It didn't leave me much to analyse or think about at the end, in a way that even The Shining did with its ambiguities Kubrick added.

As I said though, it's way above average for a horror film and deserving of praise. It's one of the best films I have seen this year. I just don't see it as a classic and feel frustrated at how close it came to realising its potential. I saw a film called 10 Cloverfield Lane recently and had a similar problem with the disappointing dissolution of all mystery, but that film at least did it at the climax instead of so close to the beginning.

'I believe in what the Germans term Ehrfurcht: reverence for things one cannot understand.'
― Robert Aickman, An Essay
James is offline   Reply With Quote
3 Thanks From:
Kevin (06-24-2016), miguel1984 (06-19-2016), Nirvana In Karma (06-19-2016)
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
witch

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Dreams in the Witch-House MorganScorpion Downloads 6 09-12-2010 10:43 AM
H. P. Lovecraft - Dreams in the Witch-House (Part 2) MorganScorpion Downloads 3 06-10-2009 03:01 PM
H. P. Lovecraft - Dreams in the Witch-House (Part 1) MorganScorpion Downloads 0 04-28-2009 10:02 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:09 AM.



Style Based on SONGS OF A DEAD DREAMER as Published by Silver Scarab Press
Design and Artwork by Harry Morris
Emulated in Hell by Dr. Bantham
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Template-Modifications by TMS