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Re: H.P. Lovecraft and the Alt.Right

I think every group has a tendency toward conspiracy theory because the human mind is always forming nonsensical patterns from chaos, and as a species we're all comically paranoid in one way or another, but it's hard to think of any dangerous conspiracy theory as widespread among the left as Cultural Marxism, which is a throwback to McCarthyism and has been used as an excuse to harass anybody to the left of Steve Bannon*, or the conspiracy theory that climate change is invented by foreigners to make western society weak, which will only lead to destruction.

There are all kinds of things wrong with the left, but people being overzealous in identifying a patriarchy don't concern me as much as these people because they're not nearly as dangerous, so I am wary of drawing equivalences because I don't see them.

*Actually, I say that, but it's a bad example because even Steve Bannon is now seen as a regressive leftist cuck for turning on Trump.

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Re: H.P. Lovecraft and the Alt.Right

I don't feel in a position to evaluate who is more dangerous. It's not as if the left have never been dangerous historically. Certainly the situation isn't simply one of immaculate symmetry, but I do see equivalences. To me the situation looks like one in which, say, a number of people with different backgrounds and views have to share a house (let's dispense with any shred of subtlety and call the house 'Earth'), and they find various problems with it - the wiring is bad and might cause a fire, the fridge is not well stocked, there's rising damp, etc. But, rather than seeing these problems as individual issues to be fixed on a case by case basis through co-operation, they egotistically dwell on their various backgrounds and decide the best way to fix the house is to have a massive fight. What's more, if you don't join in the fight, you're 'part of the problem', or 'a cuck', or whatever the chosen term of manipulation is.

So, I do see, let's say, mutuality.

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Re: H.P. Lovecraft and the Alt.Right

I don't see how climate change or increased cuts to public services can be solved through co-operation with the right when they are exacerbating both problems, though? Sometimes fighting back is the only possible option.

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Re: H.P. Lovecraft and the Alt.Right

I realise that the analogy I gave is not perfect. I'm not going to post more, after this, on this thread, simply because I should be doing other things, and politics really isn't my area of expertise (if I have any). However, I thought the following might supplement my point. From about 28.00, Steven Pinker introduces Erica Chenoweth who has conducted research on non-violent resistance:


According to Chenoweth, comparative data gathered on violent and non-violent political resistance between 1900 and 2006 show non-violent campaigns to be more than twice as effective. Part of the reason for this is that non-violent campaigns are more inclusive. Apparently such campaigns are also more likely to lead to democratic outcomes and less likely to relapse into violence.

If this is true then it suggests that there might be every reason to rethink war-based models of political struggle driven by ideas of us-and-them.

It doesn't mean there's no struggle, of course, but a less combative, adversarial attitude might actually achieve political aims more effectively.

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Re: H.P. Lovecraft and the Alt.Right

Posts crossed. I didn't see your reply while I was writing my addendum, though perhaps it's relevant to your reply.

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Whatever initial 'edginess' there was in supporting Trump or white nationalism is slowly being replaced with a deep and well earned shame.
I have to come back to this and ask who and in what way? I've seen very few people admit they screwed up and I think maybe there needs to be room made for them so they won't be too humiliated about it.

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Re: H.P. Lovecraft and the Alt.Right

I would emphasise the word 'slowly' there, but I think Charlottesville was a huge turning point for white nationalist optics. Many of their 'classical liberal' enablers in the 'centre' jumped ship soon after and now distance themselves. Obviously there are many who are in this for the long haul rather than admit fault, but I think the rising social acceptability of these ideas has been halted somewhat. As far as I'm aware popular opinion on Trump is now on the decline rather than the rise, though it's obviously nowhere even near the level of decline I'd like and support for these ideas should still be challenged. The type of far right YouTube echo chamber we're talking about will support Trump until the end, however horrifying it is, but I don't think it's representative of public opinion.

Here's hoping 2018 is the year of impeachment. Call me an idealist, but I really think it could happen.

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Re: H.P. Lovecraft and the Alt.Right

Relevant to where this discussion has gone:
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Ostensibly the video is about antifa, but there is much discussion of fascism and fascist propaganda, which the alt-right can be grouped with. Philosophy Tube is a great channel in general—I learned of it through ContraPoints—and if you're politically inclined, I highly recommend the series on Liberalism.

I'd also like to echo James' assessment of Dave Rubin as a shameless opportunist.

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Re: H.P. Lovecraft and the Alt.Right

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Weird article on H-Peel on some alt-right website called Age of ####lords:

https://ageof####lords.com/from-cthu...about-feminism
Article is weak sauce. Thankfully there is a link requesting submissions. Come on I dare someone with a bit more Mythos knowledge to submit something

Come one - We want articles about how Hillary is really one of the Fungi from Yuggoth disguising itself with a (not so well) made waxen mask, how mixed race people are really Deep One Hybrids ready to reveal their gill-slits the moment they out breed pure blood WASPs, how despite what cucks like Jonah Goldberg would have us believe immigrants from K’nyan invariably vote for socialized healthcare and more!

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Re: H.P. Lovecraft and the Alt.Right

http://www.slate.com/articles/health...side_chat.html
Peterson buddying up with Monsanto, "anti-establishment" as ****.
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