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Old 01-12-2017   #141
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Re: Trump

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In all honesty, as far as I can tell, it was the unrelenting Left that stoked the fires of hate
You're doing what you accuse others of doing in that when countering racism of specific individuals – or in this case a specific individual – you refer to the vagueness of 'the Left' or 'neoliberals' (incorrectly – neoliberalism is part of the right) rather than anything that could be substantiated.

I'm honestly not sure what you think the Left is. It includes communists and neoliberals – two opposing ideologies. How does that even work? I don't get it. Then it's people who dislike Trump or think he doesn't care about human beings – but that would include innumerable conservatives. To top it all off, you accuse people of being whiners for not being quiet now Trump is president elect when Trump was one of the most outspoken crybabies and thrower of tantrums for Obama's entire presidency.

I'm not Obama's biggest fan, but the American right were disgraceful to him from the get go, roadblocking his every decision and basically trying their best to destroy the man for the last eight years, yet Trump supporters are demanding others take a 'wait and see' approach for the presidency of a man whose every move screams 'I AM A CRAP HUMAN BEING!' . It's nonsense. This man will be a disaster and make America look like a complete joke.

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James, I can't give specific names and addresses LOL.

Most people have a good idea of the ideological make-up of The Left or The Right. Let's say Hillary's supporters would qualify as The Left. Throw in a few anarchists. Some Communist professors. And--hey! Over there, helping those good folk off the MoveOn.org bus...is that George Soros?
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Re: Trump

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Labeling Trump's supporters as racist is nuts. No doubt some are but you can't issue a blanket condemnation on a whole group of diverse people.
Whatever other reasons one might have had for supporting him during the final phase of elections, and I can certainly understand and even sympathise with some of them, to keep supporting him now indeed means standing together with racist and racists. Only decent way to proceed is to resist him in every single reasonable and lawful way.
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Re: Trump

The Clintons are, in my opinion, not Left wing at all. I voted for Hillary, but she was certainly not my first choice and I dislike her intensely. But to think that someone who has buddied up to every banker in the land and is one of life's great warhawks and who voted for the Iraq war is "Left".... is just insane. Of course some of her misguided supporters thought the same... She is a neo-liberal, and neo-liberals are not "left". Bernie Sanders is left wing. And there are many others. But, Clinton, no. Yeah, she is to the left of Trump... But almost every living creature on the planet is.
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Re: Trump

I think the truth about Trump is that he is an ego-obsessed, nihilistic materialist in the worst, most damaging and self-serving sense. The only issue he hasn't waffled on concerns his troubling and stubborn support of Putin's Russia. The man also has been documented time and again by multiple sources to be a pathological liar, making his peers in a profession famous for its liars seem like saints in comparison.

Also, I'm interested in conducting an unscientific experiment here. Let's discuss Trump the man and the politician without invoking Clinton, Obama and/or the Left. Hell, he won the election, he's going to be running the show with majorities in the House and Senate, so let's analyze him on his own terms without changing the subject and discussing his political enemies and their shortcomings.

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Re: Trump

I don't really care, but if he does manage to end US involvement in various disastrous situations in the Middle East (and that seems a reasonable possibility at this stage, much more so than if Clinton had won), I will be pleasantly surprised. On the other hand, if he somehow initiates a cataclysmic global conflict that threatens the existence of all life on earth, I will be supremely delighted. So I look at it as something of a win-win.

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Will you care about media censorship, people's rights being taken away or if you have to start paying high prices for things on the internet that you used to do for free?

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Re: Trump

Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Locrian View Post
I think the truth about Trump is that he is an ego-obsessed, nihilistic materialist in the worst, most damaging and self-serving sense. The only issue he hasn't waffled on concerns his troubling and stubborn support of Putin's Russia. The man also has been documented time and again by multiple sources to be a pathological liar, making his peers in a profession famous for its liars seem like saints in comparison.

Also, I'm interested in conducting an unscientific experiment here. Let's discuss Trump the man and the politician without invoking Clinton, Obama and/or the Left. Hell, he won the election, he's going to be running the show with majorities in the House and Senate, so let's analyze him on his own terms without changing the subject and discussing his political enemies and their shortcomings.

He is also the Machiavellian-manqué manchild.

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Re: Trump

Old time Communists like Seeger loved Stalin and Mao. Today's Left sings the praises of Che and Castro. But Putin is supposed to be Cosmic Evil Incarnate.

May the Trump-Putin romance only grow.

And remember--Nihilist is what we call relativists we dislike.
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Re: Trump

Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Locrian View Post
Also, I'm interested in conducting an unscientific experiment here. Let's discuss Trump the man and the politician without invoking Clinton, Obama and/or the Left. Hell, he won the election, he's going to be running the show with majorities in the House and Senate, so let's analyze him on his own terms without changing the subject and discussing his political enemies and their shortcomings.
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Old time Communists like Seeger loved Stalin and Mao. Today's Left sings the praises of Che and Castro. But Putin is supposed to be Cosmic Evil Incarnate.
You're still not refuting what anybody actually says about Trump.

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