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Old 04-19-2017   #781
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It was. Cannibal Cop summed it up nicely. King's smug, superior tone is emblematic of his peers and one of the chief reasons Trump won. He's merely perpetuating the problem while pretending to "explain" it.
It isn't. It really could've been a scene from a meeting in one of his small town novels. And thing is, he actually knows people like that and has been writing about them and their environment for decades now.

Anyway, reactions that piece produced in some TLOers just confirm its sad accuracy.
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I think his caricatures do sound a lot like some of Trump's supporters but I just wasn't interested in seeing where that went and didn't have much faith that King could tell me something that hasn't been said countless times already.

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King has injected politics into so many of his books that I stopped reading him years ago. He can't help it. He's a kneejerk liberal spouting the "isn't it obvious?!" politically correct position, and what's worse - it's nothing new, just the same old saw. Whether from the left or the right, I don't have much patience for politics when I read for entertainment.

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King has injected politics into so many of his books that I stopped reading him years ago. He can't help it. He's a kneejerk liberal spouting the "isn't it obvious?!" politically correct position, and what's worse - it's nothing new, just the same old saw. Whether from the left or the right, I don't have much patience for politics when I read for entertainment.
I feel the same, though I haven't read enough of King to be sensitive to any kind of liberal agenda on his end. I would love to see all art be depoliticized across the board completely. I'm sure there's some who would call me naive, seeing as how the very notion itself would be a difficult, if not impossible, undertaking.

Yet, it doesn't bother me on very rare occasions.

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Don't see why people get so bothered by political viewpoints in fiction. As long as it's not ham-handed I don't mind. What would fiction be like if you couldn't show nazis in a negative way?

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What would fiction be like if you couldn't show nazis in a negative way?
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Re: Trump

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Don't see why people get so bothered by political viewpoints in fiction. As long as it's not ham-handed I don't mind. What would fiction be like if you couldn't show nazis in a negative way?
Because often this viewpoints are superficial and don't add anything to that fiction save for a 'dog whistle' to a certain side. They don't for instance say anything insightful about the position they are critiquing (my own preference here is to avoid all political labels and go for the ethical issues directly). The labeling of political positions in terms of parties encourages lazy thinking and thought terminating cliches.
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The labeling of political positions in terms of parties encourages lazy thinking and thought terminating cliches.
I haven't read a whole lot of recent stuff, could you give some examples of fiction writers who do this?

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I'd also add that the sandbox aspect of fiction tends to make the politics ham-handed more often than not, especially in science fiction and fantasy where authors have absolute freedom in shaping their worlds to fit their preconceptions.
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Yeah, that's not just limited to politics. A recurring thing I dislike in ghost stories is punching bag characters who really just represent people the writer hates.
Edith Wharton and Ramsey Campbell are the only ones I can think of now.

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