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Old 04-20-2017   #801
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To the right of Marx. To the left of Trump supporters.

With the sheer idiocy of misplaced priorities in my own country now mirroring the lunacy going on in America, I have given up any hope I once had for the future of politics. Goodbye NHS. Hello one party state.

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King has injected politics into so many of his books that I stopped reading him years ago. He can't help it. He's a kneejerk liberal spouting the "isn't it obvious?!" politically correct position, and what's worse - it's nothing new, just the same old saw. Whether from the left or the right, I don't have much patience for politics when I read for entertainment.
And this is of course complete and utter BS. Something like The Stand is wholly built around Old Testament Abrahamic conception of God and morality, to a point where it might offend some of his readers.
Saying how King is only able to write from one position, in particular "liberal politically correct one", is far, far removed from truth.
Whereas I personally can't fathom how someone can be both Christian (or Muslim or Jewish) and socially liberal, it's not terribly uncommon. I also never got the sense that The Stand was supposed to be anything other than fiction. Moreover, for a mainstream trade paperback that came out in the late 70's, just having a non-stereotypical lesbian protagonist put the novel slightly ahead on the social curve.

King isn't exactly Cornel West, but he makes it clear in both his fiction and interviews that he's on the left.
One needn't be christian in order to use christian conception of universe as a basis for their own fictional universe. And that's what he did, and he did it pretty convincingly. People will, for example, sympathize with all those outcasts in Las Vegas one way or another, and they are indeed not written to be completely unsympathetic, but in the universe with that basis they have to be on the "other" side and to be defeated and purged in the end.
In a way, intentionally or not, it showed just how terrifying and cruel christian god would really be.
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One needn't be christian in order to use christian conception of universe as a basis for their own fictional universe. And that's what he did, and he did it pretty convincingly. People will, for example, sympathize with all those outcasts in Las Vegas one way or another, and they are indeed not written to be completely unsympathetic, but in the universe with that basis they have to be on the "other" side and to be defeated and purged in the end.
In a way, intentionally or not, it showed just how terrifying and cruel christian god would really be.
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King has injected politics into so many of his books that I stopped reading him years ago. He can't help it. He's a kneejerk liberal spouting the "isn't it obvious?!" politically correct position, and what's worse - it's nothing new, just the same old saw. Whether from the left or the right, I don't have much patience for politics when I read for entertainment.
And this is of course complete and utter BS. Something like The Stand is wholly built around Old Testament Abrahamic conception of God and morality, to a point where it might offend some of his readers.
Saying how King is only able to write from one position, in particular "liberal politically correct one", is far, far removed from truth.
Whereas I personally can't fathom how someone can be both Christian (or Muslim or Jewish) and socially liberal, it's not terribly uncommon. I also never got the sense that The Stand was supposed to be anything other than fiction. Moreover, for a mainstream trade paperback that came out in the late 70's, just having a non-stereotypical lesbian protagonist put the novel slightly ahead on the social curve.

King isn't exactly Cornel West, but he makes it clear in both his fiction and interviews that he's on the left.
Daniel Mills is both progressive and a Catholic...
https://muzzlelandpress.com/2016/07/...-daniel-mills/
Other Catholics he knows are also apparently progressive and anti-Trump. He also refused to attack nihilists and antinatalists who make the majority of weird fiction scene in that interview even though interviewer tried to lure him into it with his questions, which is cool.
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He also never wrote anything that I found to be preachy or offensive to non-Christians, but I guess that mileage may vary there... Maybe someone with theological chops can see something in his fiction that I can't.
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nihilists and antinatalists who make the majority of weird fiction scene
Really? I'd be surprised if they were anything other than a mix of regular atheists, agnostics and slightly religious folks.

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King has injected politics into so many of his books that I stopped reading him years ago. He can't help it. He's a kneejerk liberal spouting the "isn't it obvious?!" politically correct position, and what's worse - it's nothing new, just the same old saw. Whether from the left or the right, I don't have much patience for politics when I read for entertainment.
And this is of course complete and utter BS. Something like The Stand is wholly built around Old Testament Abrahamic conception of God and morality, to a point where it might offend some of his readers.
Saying how King is only able to write from one position, in particular "liberal politically correct one", is far, far removed from truth.

This is such bull####. This is utter and COMPLETE bull####.

Have you ever read 11/22/63?

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You are first expected to explain how exactly is he "spouting the "isn't it obvious?!" politically correct position" in The Stand? We may actually go thru all of his works that you've read, one by one. You are, of course, expected to point out that blatant preaching in every single one.

Yours is a kneejerk reaction to that text of his, mate.
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See, you're not even making an effort. In fact, I liked 11/22/63. I just don't think that I can continue this conversation. Lord knows I tried . . .

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King's political leanings are discernible from his work, but this is also true of the works of Arthur Machen, M. R. James, Robert Aickman, H. P. Lovecraft, Thomas Ligotti, Franz Kafka, Hanns Heinz Ewers and others. I'm struggling to think of any canonical weird writer whose political leanings weren't clear from their work.

I don't see why it is a problem with King and not these other writers.

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