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Old 01-09-2017   #81
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Re: Trump

I'm a guy who has dated women. I've never made a comment, in a locker room or anywhere else, that I was going to just grab a girl I wanted by her genitals. That's not private talk. That's creepy sexual assault. There is no context for that remark that lets it past muster. Your comment on Trump's remarks about the handicapped individual perfectly illustrates what James was saying. Give me a precedent for a presidential candidate being so petty, so thin-skinned, that these sorts of past personal conflicts actually make their way into speeches. Can you imagine Reagan flailing around onstage to jab back at someone of the opposition who was disabled?
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I think Trump's going to be a horrible president, don't get me wrong, but 4-8 years from now, he'll leave office, and the U.S. will be still be around, albeit a bit worse for the wear. Trump will retreat to his palace and will return to being an annoying celebrity.
What disturbs me the most is the precedent that Trump sets. Any cretin who appeals to the squirming, ignorant mob will know that he or she can run for high office. Trump will inaugurate Trumpism (tm); his ideological children, the politicians of the future, will swarm our country like a mob of starved, feral dogs.
Insane ideology will run wild; father against son, son against father... Violence in the streets... A Weimar Germany attitude... Lunatics from one side of the political spectrum will inflame lunatics from the other ... Demagogues will exploit the situation to gain even more power and wealth... We may see mass murder...
It's too late now. We're doomed.
Tldr; Trump is awful, but those that come after him will be much, much worse. Our subsequent rulers will make us pine for the days of Trump.
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Old 01-09-2017   #83
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Re: Trump

Quote Originally Posted by Raul Urraca View Post
I think Trump's going to be a horrible president, don't get me wrong, but 4-8 years from now, he'll leave office, and the U.S. will be still be around, albeit a bit worse for the wear. Trump will retreat to his palace and will return to being an annoying celebrity.
What disturbs me the most is the precedent that Trump sets. Any cretin who appeals to the squirming, ignorant mob will know that he or she can run for high office. Trump will inaugurate Trumpism (tm); his ideological children, the politicians of the future, will swarm our country like a mob of starved, feral dogs.
Insane ideology will run wild; father against son, son against father... Violence in the streets... A Weimar Germany attitude... Lunatics from one side of the political spectrum will inflame lunatics from the other ... Demagogues will exploit the situation to gain even more power and wealth... We may see mass murder...
It's too late now. We're doomed.
Tldr; Trump is awful, but those that come after him will be much, much worse. Our subsequent rulers will make us pine for the days of Trump.
I hope you're wrong, though I suspect you're onto something.

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Re: Trump

There have indeed been terrible lies and violent acts from people appalled that Trump won, including a recent nasty group of people who beat up a disabled guy and filmed it, as if he represents all the Trump supporters. It's all horrible and inexcusable.

But these things still aren't as prevalent as the triumphant "get out of our country" attacks that actually happened. Trump suggested people could kill Hillary, his campaign openly acknowledged the tactic of scaring away voters. It's no surprise from a team that includes alt-right figures, has KKK support and so invigorated racist supporters that they'd start going out and attacking people.

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Raul- I'm sure there are a lot of politicians to blame for this but Sarah Palin in particular springs to mind.

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But these things still aren't as prevalent as the triumphant "get out of our country" attacks that actually happened. --Robert Adam Gilmour

Robert, how can you possibly know this? I never throw around things I can't confirm; it merely drags down the authenticity of a debate.
The media reports hate crimes enthusiastically, hoax or not, at least if they are against minorities. How can I prove their bias? Just go back a few days and you'll see them jumping through hoops to defend the four black assailants of that handicapped white boy. "Not a hate crime," some commentators said. "Just stupid." Right. Torture, kidnapping, burglary, car theft, just stupid boyish mistakes.
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Here is a question to all. If you like Trump, what would he have to do to for you to reject him? And to those that don't like him, what would he have to do to for you to call him a good president?

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Druidic- You're right about those people making excuses.

You're also right that I can't really prove which side has been doing more violent attacks and many of the claims could easily be faked but all we can do is guesstimate from all the news we get and try and judge what is real.

I'll take back my assertion but I'd be surprised if there were more anti-Trump inspired hate crimes.

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Souphead- he'd have to either change entirely or reveal everything he'd done before was some amazing lifelong act to get power and use it to do what Sanders wanted to do. Probably not going to happen.

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Re: Trump

I think if Trump stopped communicating with the outside world and resolved to do nothing as president (and not delegate his power to Pence, who may be the greatest cretin in the white house) he'd be a decent president. Also, he should try to get control of some his crazier followers (who I believe may pose a greater threat than Trump himself).
Regarding the crazier followers, I saw some statistics somewhere indicating that there were more hate crimes committed by the Pro-Trump side, if you could call it that, than the anti-trump side. But there have been quite a few faked hate-crimes. Regarding the anti-trump side, I believe the SPLC reported that there were 2000 incidents of hate crimes against trump voters or white people following the election. This is a problem also, a serious problem the media hasn't really reported on. Both are vile. I don't want the country to descend into racial resentment and hatred.

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