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#1
By
Nemonymous
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06-12-2007
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Re: ON THE HOOF
"You live a day a day to put life in" is another line of my poetry from the sixties.
I have sought out this old poem of mine and although I have not the temerity to republish the little 'nonsense' in full (a sonnet), that above is the first line and the second line is: "Beg, beg, begging that death cannot hurt you." It is indeed futile to call life futile because it is. I have been advertising the presence of CATHR on this site. It will eventually be considered as the Horror Book of the 21st century, I believe. I have not re-read it yet. I shall leave that till I read it as a proper book. (I have not downloaded it as a pdf). Then I shall issue my second and definitive review, for what it will be worth, to replace the above cloppety-clop puppet version (Muffin The Mule?) |
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#3
By
Nemonymous
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06-14-2007
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Re: ON THE HOOF
Thanks, Kevin. I don't feel smart!
I actually feel as if I am feeling my way, both in life and in my reaction to CATHR. CATHR - as I've already read it on this site (not the pdf) - I don't know if it's being changed gradually as a result of suggestions, comments etc on this site (or not) - as I have not checked ... my comments above (and here) are purely on the disintentioned, immutable 'sculpture' of a 'non-fiction' book that I've already read, about which my comments, your comments, anybody's comments (including the author's comments) are only of equal value to that original 'sculpture', i.e. in that context no comments are more or less important than others. This is a basic tenet of 'The Intentional Fallacy' theory of thinking, which, in itself, is relevant, I feel, to the CATHR 'sculpture' as I've so far seen it. Once any new version (new sculpture) is posited in the audience arena by the author, then a new circle of reaction would begin about a new and distinct 'sculpture'. And so on. This new circle of reaction cannot affect the current circle of reaction about the original sculpture posited on this site. I am intrigued for example, by the author's dialogue with 'turnip' on the 'notes' thread. However, I feel it is important to insulate the existing CATHR 'sculpture' from these thoughts, in fact to try to divorce them (however interesting and enlightening they may seem in themselves) unless and until one is considering a new 'sculpture' which may or may not incorporate these new thoughts. I repeat that I feel this attitude is very much in the spirit of CATHR itself and should be welcomed in that spirit. But, of course, it is not an easy path. PS: These comments on this specific comments post should likewise not affect the original sculpture of 'On The Hoof' posted above on 28th May 2007. But of course the then self that was me may have disagreed with this my later self in this regard. |
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#4
By
Nemonymous
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06-15-2007
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Re: ON THE HOOF
Well, I must have been in a strange mood yesterday morning judging by the above. This morning seems different, less pure somehow.
Someone now saying this: "...because it is quite clear that is not what Ligotti 'had in mind'" on another thread has however somewhat returned me towards unwelcome strictures of thought... I really must get a life! In any event, I note that 'Terminus' (a story in ZENCORE: SCRIPTUS INNOMINATUS) actually begins with these words: "You asked me about my assertions that life is a condition, like a terminal illness, of which there is not so much a cure as a protracted but always provisory series of allayments, mere distractions for the brain to keep it occupied and far away from the dangerous questions of human existence." This story was written goodness knows when, but I first read it several months ago during my editorial reading for the book, i.e. long before knowing anything about CATHR. |
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#5
By
YellowJester
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06-19-2007
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Re: ON THE HOOF
This is test.
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#6
By
YellowJester
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06-19-2007
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Re: ON THE HOOF
This is another test(one that doesn’t read as if English is my second language). Note: the ratings in the last test do not reflect my evaluation of On the Hoof, nor that of my employees, family, and few friends.
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#7
By
YellowJester
on
06-19-2007
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Re: ON THE HOOF
des,
Please excuse the long-belatedness of my reply to your comments on CATHR. The truth is that--aside from the explicitly favorable words you have directed my way about CATHR, for which I thank you greatly--I’ve had a difficult time tuning into your intellectual wavelength. I’m fairly sure that I still haven’t done so. Nevertheless. . . Perhaps I should first state that I’ve never been drawn to the New Criticism/"Death of the Author" perspective on literature. I don’t question the legitimacy or the interest of this approach to reading and criticism; it just isn’t how I look at an author’s work. The literary works to which I’ve always been attracted have displayed the outward form of a generic expressionism. This is obviously the case with Lovecraft: the voice of his stories and that of his letters sound to me like the same voice, which is the voice of Lovecraft expressing his thoughts, attitudes, sensations, etc. I realize that the works in which these voices sound may be viewed as objects and not as a sort of empathetic avenue into an author’s inner world, which is not less remote in its true nature as is the physical world around us. This is the admittedly unsophisticated--no false modesty--basis for my moving either toward an author’s work or away from it. To some degree, I must identify with what I perceive to be the author’s intellectual and emotional orientation or that author will not attract me. I’m not really sure if the way of reading I have described above is totally at odds with yours, but I’m making that assumption. I’m also assuming that, according to your principles of the inaccessibility or irrelevancy of a writer’s intention, that I cannot make such an assumption about what you have written on CATHR. About your hanging your head "in confused dismay for having been a ‘breeder’" during your lifetime, this is a facetious statement on your part, and rightly so. I hope that I’ve been clear in CATHR that no parent should expect me to expect them to feel any true dismay about taking on this role. While the attitude I’ve expressed about reproduction in CATHR is negative, often snidely so, I wouldn’t want anyone to forego this action out of guilt but out of a viewpoint, true or not, that human life is so problematic that one would best be spared from enduring it. This is an ancient sentiment, but I feel it cannot be repeated too strenuously or too often, however futile it may be to do so. Lost causes are not the worst pursuits a human being can engage in, since they are invariably harmless if carried out in full consciousness that they are futile enterprises compelled by one’s private imperatives. (No tyrant has ever believed himself to be engaged in a lost cause. No one who has tried to end world suffering has thought himself engaged in anything but a lost cause.) To reiterate what should be eminently clear in CATHR, I unequivocally believe that to be alive and conscious is to be doomed to an undeserved condition. There are reasons that I continue in the vertical state, but they have nothing to do with any appeal that life has for me. That this attitude may be unwarranted or pathological is something that each of us must decide for himself. My function--and indeed my pleasure--has been to present reasons why this attitude is neither unwarranted nor pathological. In this endeavor, I know that I will fail. But like the desire to be a parent, I cannot resist it. You are quite right in saying that composing CATHR has on the whole given me the sense of my life being "more worthwhile." At the same time, this delusion faded several times while I was working on the book, and I expect it will dim and flicker out entirely should I live many more years. However, the fact that I completed this project, as with other projects in my life, will remain a satisfaction to me, if only in those moments when I feel satisfied with anything I’ve done. I’m unsure why you have characterized your "religious temperament," which deviates from many of those around you, as "pretentious." Perhaps your religious temperament may actually take a pretentious form. I’m not sufficiently informed as to its specifics and practice to say whether it does or doesn’t. But your reason for self-effacement isn’t clear. It just seems strange to me that one would stigmatize his religious temperament as pretentious and still hold to its principles. In a big way, this is admirable. I can’t think of a single instance of an individual’s religious temperament, or anti-religious temperament, as anything but an unwitting display of pretension to the point of impudence. I don’t think there is any other way for someone to declare his religious temperament, or any other type of temperament, save with a complete lack of awareness of his pretentiousness and monstrous impudence. Otherwise, those with an opposing temperament would destroy your intellectual and emotional sovereignty, or the illusion of it, just as the Church did to so many during the Dark Ages. Perhaps your ability to look at literary works as objects would account for your ability to look at yourself in this way. You hit the nail on the head when you said that I could not have written CATHR except in an "inspired" state. I placed quotes around "inspired" because I would like to make the qualification that I consider my inspiration during the writing of CATHR to be a chemical and neurological phenomenon. Many times when I sat down to work on the book I was in a state of extreme agitation, which is the state in which I’m writing at this moment. If I didn’t start out agitated on a given day, my agitation would soon begin and increase until I couldn’t bear it any longer. Then I would quit for the day. But agitation is a great stimulant, and when one is stimulated one is also inspired. So mine would be a case of the ability to recollect "blinding futility, cynicism, pessimism, visions of frightening nothingness, cultured barrenness" in agitation rather than tranquility. I’m very glad that you, and others, have commented on the humor in CATHR. Humor can indeed make the blackness blacker still. So many works that seem to have the most tortured spirits behind them are piss-in-your-pants funny. William Burroughs would be exhibit one. By contrast, works written while their authors’ were situated on a bedrock of complacency are entirely without humor, or their humor is of the sort that absolutely makes one’s skin crawl. I believe it was Mark Twain, a tortured spirit if there ever was one, who said that there is no laughter in heaven. I can’t thank you enough for the following sentence: "The author of CATHR calls you in the long seemingly heart-felt Shakespearean soliloquy at the end of ‘Plot’, which is about losing the plot." This section is longer in the final version of CATHR. I had hoped that the book was finished when it went on TLO, but I’ve continued working on it. I should say, however, that the final version does not in any way deviate in substance from the one on TLO. Okay, I’ve reached the point at which I can no longer bear my agitation. A final remark. The last sentence of OFF THE HOOF: "Is CATHR ontological suicide?" I only wish. TL |
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#8
By
Nemonymous
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06-19-2007
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Re: ON THE HOOF
TL, I am very grateful that you should comment on 'On The Hoof'. I did not at all expect comments from you when I wrote it so I had not noticed any 'belatedness'.
I shall keep my reaction to a minimum - as I have all my life been persuaded by the last argument that I have faced... which may explain a mystery you pose about my stance on my own 'religion'. Your comments have remoulded my 'On The Hoof'. It seems electronic 'threads' were made for people like me, as if pieces of my mind are pieced together by other consciousnesses beyond my control. I mean this sincerely, although I can't explain it properly. The only real comment I will make is about 'The Intentional Fallacy'. I don't like the expressions New Criticism or Death-of-the-author (I think they are something different). I merely thought if one took CATHR to a logical conclusion, one would have to be more sympathetic to the 'Intentional Fallacy' approach. I respect your described approach to authors and their work, of course. And that's the way I will now approach your own work (of which I have been an enormous enjoyer since 1988). Although my own reaction to your reaction is stunted - (awestruck?) - I hope others will be able to comment on your comments above on this 'my' thread. des |
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#9
By
Mr Can
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08-22-2007
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Re: ON THE HOOF
Mr des said:
It seems electronic 'threads' were made for people like me, as if pieces of my mind are pieced together by other consciousnesses beyond my control. I hope my stepping upon the magic stairs here are not too much of a sea change to the thread or to your 'consciousness', Mr des! I came late to the CATHR threads. There is now no CATHR available here, it seems, to check against what you said. This seems to be a very dangerous situation ... certainly for you. You are left in limbo with a thought such as The Suicide of a God by writing philosophy about its Godhood? However, you may be calmed by another statement of your own on this thread: No natural flow in this thread, however, unless someone else enters it with his or her own flow of thought to channel me away from false concoctions. You are indeed not alone. I shall be back. Mr Can |
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