A Glimpse of the Future
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ-_hv1vVJA
I heard one AI expert say that in the near future you will be able to integrate yourself into a story and get a full immersive experience wearing a VR headset. (which Palmer Luckey, creator of Oculus, said will soon be like wearing large sunglasses). Imagine climbing up the stairs to Dr. Voke's loft.
I heard one AI expert say that in the near future you will be able to integrate yourself into a story and get a full immersive experience wearing a VR headset. (which Palmer Luckey, creator of Oculus, said will soon be like wearing large sunglasses). Imagine climbing up the stairs to Dr. Voke's loft.
Knygathin
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A "full immersive experience"? I think more likely, it will give you nausea and a headache.
bendk
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That happens in reality too. "More real than real. " is the motto of the New Age. Don't fight it. It is going to happen whether you want it to or not.
Knygathin
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In whose interest are these robots built? What good will they do us? One function will be as soldiers in war. What else? Why are they designed to perfectly imitate humans? What is the good of that? You can send one into a nuclear reactor to fix broken things. That is useful. But the rest? So they are supposed to replace humans, in action and labour, that is the obvious goal. But have the people behind this technology considered the far-reaching implications of this? (The technicians themselves are narrow-focused nerds, and lack presage). And naturally, the extension of this technological development will be to make the robots more and more self-going, and independent in making decisions, in combination with self-defensive and self-reparing abilities. Then, when the construction reaches factory level, and mass production starts, we will have a dangerous situation. Which could quickly get out of hand, when the robots have been given sufficient deciphering ability and technical adequacy of action, in combination with independency in making decisions. So, then??? Do we just let go??
Anyway, there are obvious private interests and investments behind this, and a plan of increasing their own private power and control over the rest of society, as there always is. Critical and fateful changes are at their hands, just as they pillage the environment, cut the forests down, poison the seas and air, to sell their consumption onto the masses. Politicians, as representatives of the will of the people, or the common good, have no influence over this, because they are always subordinate the bankers who even control sham revolutions through history.
But I am so old now, that I have become resigned, realizing that I as an individual have no influence on the greater phases. He who lives, will see what the future has in store.
Anyway, there are obvious private interests and investments behind this, and a plan of increasing their own private power and control over the rest of society, as there always is. Critical and fateful changes are at their hands, just as they pillage the environment, cut the forests down, poison the seas and air, to sell their consumption onto the masses. Politicians, as representatives of the will of the people, or the common good, have no influence over this, because they are always subordinate the bankers who even control sham revolutions through history.
But I am so old now, that I have become resigned, realizing that I as an individual have no influence on the greater phases. He who lives, will see what the future has in store.
Knygathin
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I think your view of the time schedule is overly "optimistic".
I don't know what your personal emotional investment is in this, but you seem eagerly to welcome it, with a measure of fatalism, perhaps a deeper harboured pessimism, even misanthropy or latent revenge, in spite of pretending objectiveness. You enthusiasm and glee is bubbling over.
You said before that I should not fight it because it is inevitable. I am sorry to disappoint, but I can assure you for example, that I will NEVER buy AI novels published on Amazon by persons lacking creativity to write on their own.
bendk
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Sometimes my positive attitude is misinterpreted as an enthusiastic endorsement. I can assure you that isn't always the case.
You may think you will never buy an AI novel. That is like betting that all people are honest. I wouldn't take that bet. I am only concerned about the quality of the work. Who or what generated it, means nothing to me.
ZC_HAWK
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Then you are not a curator of social experiences and ruminations in literature. Those can only be harbored through social communication via the very formulation of art as a medium itself. But that should come as no surprise given your tiresome predication on misanthropy.
No. You are instead a collector of tacky ephemera.
Bad art made by a real person is of infinite more value than an artificially generated artifice.
Zaharoff
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I don't necessarily trust Mr Musk to be benevolent towards society at large. I suspect his androids / robots / cylons would come bundled with data gathering software.
He already has thousands of orbiting satellites for his Starlink.
Is now moving into the military aspect with Starshield.
Starlink, But for National Security: SpaceX Unveils Starshield | PCMag
He already has thousands of orbiting satellites for his Starlink.
Is now moving into the military aspect with Starshield.
Starlink, But for National Security: SpaceX Unveils Starshield | PCMag
bendk
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bendk
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Palmer Luckey, the creator of Oculus, is also working with the Defense Department. They both view our society as something worth defending.
ZC_HAWK
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⸮[An eloquent argument well put.]⸮
A well put argument, made eloquently:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OK6kNHic6H4&t=1s
bendk
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Well, that was a waste of 12 minutes and 19 seconds. I couldn't finish it.
The bottom line of art is does it resonate with an individual. It is subjective. You can have your Paul Klee and Andy Warhol and I'll take certain works generated by AI. End of story.
ZC_HAWK
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The irony of someone espousing accelerationist dogma not being able to complete something I quite amusing.
The fact you didn't finish the video and cited Warhol as a counter to AI, as opposed to how The Factory gave rise to modern consumerist 'fast art' which has led us to this dismal zeitgeist you seem so enamored with, it itself also quite amusing.
Do feel free to continue enjoying what you will. And I'll continue to find it bemusing, and a little sad.
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Knygathin
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But then you will be reading "books" (or looking at "art") in practice generated by computor nerds, who have made the AI programs from a huge set of data information mainly gathered together from the Internet, i.e. collected from all kinds or digital sources of texts and pictures, and then re-arranged according to these computor programmers's calculated sets of logarithms, limited to their perceptions of how a collage of information should be put together to follow their perceived standards of logic, and appear "interesting" within an infinite number of random possible combinations of variation in this. How can you have any mental respect for reading a book like that?
I don't doubt that AI will grow more and more, and that we will be fooled by some of it, such as the movements of a robot imitating a human. And also, that it will be forced upon us by those who sell it; it already is, from Hollywood and Disney for example. And it will also enter into everyday mundane routines of life. Taken even further, I think in the far distant future, human androids may be created not from silicone, metal, and electrical circuits, but from nanotechnology and biologically grown cell tissue in laboratories. These replicas of us may then function independently, but they will still be different from us. They may even receive from the cosmos some kind of warped souls. But there will be something missing. Their souls will be different. We will not truly identify with them, as we do with our own kind. And following, Art is something closely connected to ourselves, to the infinite complexity and subtlety of our souls, and our individual and unique connection to the rest of Nature. The AI artworks you have shown may be superficially overwhelming, with details and colors, and have "clever" re-arrangements of previous compositions taken from art history - but they are distasteful to my senses and ultimately dead to me. They mean nothing to my soul, they don't stem from a real individual's experience of life. They are synthetic and generic.
I think that deep down inside somewhere you realize these things, but at the time are too occupied with trying to mentally grasp the enormity and offense of the AI revolution.