Computer stalling.

Knygathin

Knygathin

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Everyday, at about the same time, my computer stalls. It happens in the early morning hours. I start up the computer, and after a couple of minutes it suddenly slows down till everything on the screen freezes. Only thing left to do then is to push the on/off button and restart. This stalling happens twice in a row. After that the computer functions normally again.

I assume it must be some kind of virus, that is time-scheduled and set to overload the computer twice.

I have tried using CCleaner, SUPERAntiSpyware, Malwarebytes, but it doesn't help.

Any ideas what to do about this?
 
Something similar happens with mine but I just assumed it's something the computer does because of its age. Sometimes I leave it on for 15 minutes before I use it and it doesn't stall. I'm guessing the stalling is just the computer loading itself up.
 
Robert Adam Gilmour said:
Something similar happens with mine but I just assumed it's something the computer does because of it's age. Sometimes I leave it on for 15 minutes before I use it and it doesn't stall. I'm guessing the stalling is just the computer loading itself up.
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You may be right. My computer is about 14 years old. The strange thing is that it always happens in the early morning hours, never in the evening even if the computer has been off all day.

These days one needs to have at least two computers, keeping the old one alongside a new one. Because, for example, old Word documents need first to be opened to be able to transform them into the newer formats. It is really bad and crazy that the newer systems don't back up older formats. Some people, who are less technical and foreseeing, may have lost years of work because they no longer can open their old documents.
 
If I work with the computer late in the night, it will suddenly stall and collapse sometime after four o'clock in the morning. Happens like clockwork. And repeats itself two or three times after starting up again. After that there is no problem - until next morning. So I am pretty sure there is a timer setting for this virus overload attack or whatever is going on. Perhaps the computer has inadvertently been set for some kind of automatic self-updating at this time.
 
Again, you will find more tech heads at Bleeping Computer than you will here.


Then next time it stalls, you might want to start the Task Manager.
Then check to see what is hogging Memory and CPU.
 
Zaharoff said:
Again, you will find more tech heads at Bleeping Computer than you will here.


Then next time it stalls, you might want to start the Task Manager.
Then check to see what is hogging Memory and CPU.
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Well it depends if they will be able to. Because under XP, Windows still realised people might use Task Manager under stressfull situations and thus would require it to be as low performance as possible to basically always turn on and work.

But in Windows 10, they bloated up Task Manager with a ton of unnecessary features, graphs and additional menus, with extra graphics, so that when I did have an issue like this, TM would just stall and never finish loading.
 
We all have our weak spots. I don't understand the complex world of computers and software updates. It is a mystery to me how ordinary people are able to cope with it. Perhaps they bring the computer to the computer shop as soon as they need an update? I can spend hours pulling my hair trying to figure out very basic things, such as how to adjust my computer and necessary appliances to the latest advances and ID-requirements, to be able to make a simple money payment. I sure miss the 1970s and 80s, when everything still was on paper and easy to comprehend. I feel the tyrannical digitization is our Age's great tragedy.

And I think computer forums are for the already initiated and technically able. They have very little patience, and very strict posting rules. I would need a forum for complete ignoramus.

I have Windows 10 Home, and it has been working fine. Now I need to install a newer version of Paint.net, but it gets rejected, with the message that I must have Windows 10 version 1607 for it. Is that version a natural update of Windows 10 Home? Or is it a program that has to be purchased separately? I visit many Microsoft and other web pages, trying to put the pieces together, but it's all Greek to me (when it should be plain English). (I understand Walter de la Mare, and Ligotti, and Shakespeare, but not the digital Age.) I was hoping my computer would update automatically to Windows 10 version 1607, but when looking in System and Security history, I see that every Windows Update has failed since I purchased the computer a few years ago. None installed. I don't have a clue why. My first computer always updated itself, whether I wanted to or not.
 
So a number of things here.

Microsoft will update Windows 10 monthly (seems to be on a Tuesday for me) and each one of these is called an update with a name Kbnnnnnnn – where the ‘n’s are digits. Approximately half yearly, bundles of these patches are rolled into what Microsoft calls a Version. These versions are four characters and used to be year and month numbers but now seem to be year and half one or half 2 – for first half of the year or second half of the year. Windows 10 came out in July 2015 and has a version number 1507 (the year and month in digits). The software you want to install says it needs to be at at least 1607 (July 2016 level of maintenance).

Perhaps that all made sense to you, or it didn’t, but either way you need to go forward. I guess I can think of three ways that you are in this situation. The first is that this computer never connects to the internet and so can never get updates. The solutions here are either connect it to the internet and let it do updates (assuming you are willing to do that) or move to Windows 11 which will support the new Paint.net you want to install.

The second option is that you connect to the internet and have intentionally switched off software updates. Again this is like the first one: to move forward you either have to turn software updates back on or upgrade to Windows 11.

The third option, and probably most likely, you have accidentally switched off software updates and are quite OK in them running. In that case, switch them back on and let the updates download. How to do that, well this is some stuff I found on the internet:

Press the Windows key and the “R” key at the same time.
• Type services.msc and hit Enter
• Scroll down and find Windows Update service
• Right click and select Properties
• In the middle of the box there should be a Startup Type and Service status. Record what you have though you and the Startup Type to be “automatic” and the Service status of running. If the status is stopped press the start button.
• If you have changed anything, press the apply button and then OK button.

That should start the update process going. How long it takes and how many recycles you may need to do will depend on the gods and your internet speed.

If that doesn’t help, you may need some very specific help.

Good luck!
 
Thank you Souphead. When I have more strength, I will try to fix the settings in my Windows 10 Home, so it may receive updates.

Right now I am nearing the end of a four day fasting (only allowing myself water, one multi-vitamin pill and some salt each day) and feel rather exhausted, and distracted by hunger. But it is good for regeneration of the cells, and removing waste. And food is appreciated all the more after the fast is broken!
 
I don't understand that ordinary people are not more irritated with computors. That they don't complain more. How do they manage? Their computors seem to run so smoothly. I think it is a nightmare, a full time job making it work, keeping it free from viruses. With the Internet turned on, there is a constant bombardment of virus, and the anti-virus programs these days are themselves filled with virus and commercial spam. Not being a computor expert it takes a lot of time to figure out how to solve issues. And the longer time passes, the more virus builds up, until it is impossible to deal with it. What do ordinary people usually do? I imagine most people don't understand these things any better than I do. Do they bring their computors to a computor-shop whenever there is a hitch? Or do they simply buy a new computor, and throw the old one in the trash? I can't afford that.

I have tried to keep my new computor clean, only using it for documents and graphic work. But had to start using the Internet on it, because my old computor crashed (working on it to get it going again), and then immediately the problems started, it becoming clogged and stalling.

And I don't trust automated Windows software updates, because it takes control over your computor, and changes the screen appearance and functions in ways you never asked for. I am conservative, and prefer things to look the way I am used to. I don't want to have to re-learn, and re-adapt, over and over, I don't have TIME for that!
I think it is the financial ruling class's, the Illuminati's, deliberate intention to keep the masses tied to their computor and Iphone screens. That we are kept as sedated consumers, prevented from rising up and starting a revolution against them.

I HATE the digital age. And I started hating it in the early 90's. WHY you may ask? Becuse then CGI starting replacing the practical skills of real craft in film making. Stop Motion puppet Animation had at the time reached a very high artistic level, and suddenly all that knowledge was thrown in the trash can, and replaced by computor screen graphics. We lost something truly great. Something real and solid, with deep insights and sensitivity between fingers and brain, was replaced by flat non-substantial cyber illusion. I feel that if art had continued on the analog path of the senses, and the intuitive manipulation of real matter, instead of the digital cyber space, society would have moved in a more spiritual direction than today. Also, with everybody looking at screens, the real sense of three dimensional form has been lost. There are very few great sculptors today, I would say none. And, this is IMPORTANT PROOF of what I am talking about, it can also be seen in contemporary industrial design of utility tools, which have become very flat and unrelated to actual functions -- utterly useless in many cases, wasteful, and without beauty. This also retains to architecture. There is an attitude that everything should be fast and cheap, and most important, profit be maximized. It is capitalistic economy, the doing of the international banks (their sticky webs reaching inside all governments), and it cheats the people of beauty and quality, forcing them instead to consume garbage.
 
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With this new computor I bought, with Windows 10, if I shut off the computor without first having removed a USB stick, afterwards everything on the USB stick will be gone and the USB be defunct from further use.

After Windows's recent automatic update on my computor, my Word documents can no longer be opened!!! IT IS A DISGRACE! IT is downright CRIMINAL! SCANDALOUS!! The programs have been changed to newer versions, no longer allowing earlier word document versions to be opened. It is so impossibly outrageous and sick that there are no adequate words for it. I am a nervous wreck.

And I no longer have control over the computor, it suddenly decides on its own to shut off, or the screen locks, turns all white, or black, or the screen deteriorates with changed picture format and coarse resolution, or just now when I turned the computor on again, the screen shows strange new windows that forces updates upon me.

As I am trying to write this, the computor stalls on and off with short intervals, and I try to write inbetween. I have to restart it over and over, before it shortly collapses again. It is just TERRIBLE! This HELL all started when I turned on the Internet on the computor.

Further, I don't think is is possible anymore on new computors to turn off automated Windows updates. THEY want us to be permanently stuck, and slaves under their totalitarian reign.

I really don't understand how you guys can cope with computors, and how you can like it. How you can be so cool with it. I suspect you must be a younger generation than I am, and grew up with computors since you were little children, getting used to it. For me it is a NIGHTMARE.
 
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I just checked in my computor, and there is no way to completely shut off Windows updates. And there is no way to stop THEM from restarting my computor for installing updates. I must agree to some time during the 24 hours when THEY are allowed to enter and make changes. My computor is under THEIR control. It is disgusting.
 
Knygathin said:
The computor age has damaged humanity. Great horror literature could be written about this.
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Correct. There seems the making of a good story using your computer as a malevolent force.

My main computer is a 7. I ignore upgrade pleas and am fierce about weekly malware scans.
My 10 is something of a pain, as it seems harder to rein in programs running in the background.
Have you thought about going into msconfig and looking at the startup tab?
For stalling, can you use Task Manager to see how much CPU and Memory are being used, and by what?
The "white screen" has been a bug for many. Mine flared anytime I used the search function, or hit the Windows key. The internet is filled with topics about that. (one - Windows 10 Search Is Broken and Shows Blank Results, How to Fix)

Discussing computers with my IT friends (and I am not one), all suspect that fewer and fewer actually use / own computers. X-ers were the last big embracers. Most now use pads or phones to simply look at "stuff".
If nothing else, try a friend's computer, or the public library it they offer public access.
Good luck out there.
 
My human nerves were made for handling and dealing with organic things, with humans, trees, animals, and the rest of nature; mountains, rivers, valleys, forests, the sea. Not for computers and abstract incomprehensible computer programs; it is not healthy, it is all wrong. And I believe the nerves of the rest of you must be that way too.
 
Zaharoff said:
My main computer is a 7. I ignore upgrade pleas and am fierce about weekly malware scans ...
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I sympathize very much with that. I have done the same. In my main computor there was first Windows 7 Home, ... then I was required by my bank to update it to 7 Professional to be able to make payments.

A few days ago that computor collapsed completely, for the second time. I have fumbled and tried different methods and searched hidden corners inside it, recommended online. My memory from last time I fixed it was completely gone, ... I just can't memorize abstract functions and digital terminology.
Anyhow, I finally was able to rescue my files, and reinstalled the factory settings to 7 Home. But it was so cluttered with unnecessary extra programs and ads, that I decided to install 7 Professional instead, which I had stored on a USB. And I blocked ALL updates!

The BEST thing I saved from 7 Home, was Microsoft Works Word, which I have now installed in Windows 7 Professional on my old computor and in Windows 10 on my new computor (will not use this computor for Internet again, except when forced to use Windows 10 for certain errands). FINALLY I can open both my old and new Word documents. (I have not had time, or desire, to update all of my old documents to the exclusive formats used by Windows 10. I think that is one of the maddest and most inconsiderate things they did, stopping people from being able to open and get access to their old work.)

Luck finally came to me in the last few hours. But it is crazy that it should take hours, stretching into days of frustration, to get going again. Computors were meant to make people's lives easy. Really? I think it is the opposite, they tie up our lives.
 
To tell the truth, this is probably good for your brain.
Not the anxiety or frustration, but working those gray cells.

Two side thoughts:

1) If you lose Word, the free alternative I use is Atlantis Lite.
https://www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/en/lite.htm
They offer a paid version, but Lite fulfills my needs, including creating and maintaining indexes with thousands of hyperlinks.

2) Backup your word docs in the cloud. Doc files are small and are perfect for free storage levels. Dropbox, Sync, pCloud, iDrive, etc ...
I organize my reviews, stories and correspondence into folders, and keep all in a password encrypted folder. I reupload every week.
One system crash - losing everything - convinced me to backup, backup, backup.

Good luck out there. It can be maddening when your tech gear spits at you.
 
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