DEATH POEMS Reviews & Discussion

Dr. Bantham

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I suppose many of you have received your copy of DEATH POEMS by now. There have been mixed reviews unleashed upon the TLO Yahoo Group to this point.

Let's open this board to comments, impressions, reviews and favorite snippets from Ligotti's latest work. Honesty combined with a respect for the opinion of others is encouraged.

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Upon first impression, these poems have left me totally indifferent. Maybe a second reading will change my mind, but I just don't seem to find the usual Ligotti depth in them. Maybe they aren't meant to be taken seriously, and were written with an intention to amuse the reader. However I don't think paying 80 bucks for this collection was very amusing.
I will read the poems again and give it a second shot.
 
Only read them once so far (at about two in the morning when very tired), but my first impressions were good. Whether he means it or not, the guy is a wit. He seems to try every angle and means of being bleak and discouraging, and you can't help laughing along. I'm going to reread them, but by the quick scan I gave them, they are up to his usual quality. My girlfriend, who is not a big fan, also shocked me by liking them. And the book is gorgeous – the 'My Death Poems' section being the final joke: as if you're going to deface such an article with one's own scrawl. Nice one Tom!
 
I’m sending this post to Horrabin Hall, the Thomas Ligotti Online listserv, and the message board at www.ligotti.net, so apologies for the cross-post to anybody who subscribes to more than one of these.

When I first received my copy of DEATH POEMS in the mail a couple of weeks ago, I was impressed with the production quality and then somewhat surprised when I flipped through the pages to catch a taste of what lay within and caught an impression of banality. Shortly after that, the first few reactions from loyal Ligotti readers began to trickle here at The Nightmare Network and through the TLO listerv, and all were negative, and I became rather apprehensive at the thought that this book might represent a rare misfire in Tom’s literary efforts.

The story has a happy ending, though, at least for me, because when I sat down to read the poems in earnest, I found that they worked for me. They seemed almost playful in their surface banality, and after ingesting only a few of them I began to gain the impression that they were carefully circling around the subject of death, deliberately avoiding going right for the throat and instead emphasizing the grimness of the subject matter by contrasting it with an underplayed tone.

I’ve lavished enough praise on Tom’s work publicly that I suppose I might be suspected of turning a blind eye toward any genuine shortcomings in it, of becoming a kind of apologist for it. I’ve even wondered about this myself. But I truly don’t think that’s the case here, because I simply enjoyed these poems. They try in all sorts of ways to emphasize that death, specifically one’s own private, personal death, is inevitable and inescapable while at the same time being literally intolerable. It’s an old theme, a tried and true one, but Tom invests it with the same personal quality that suffuses all his work. I particularly liked the restrained grotesquery of the semi-playful final lines that conclude many of the poems.

Maybe I’m barking up a wrong tree here, but I thought I detected a whiff of satire here, as if these poems represent an unstated grim-whimsical play on a centuries-old tradition of Puritan morals and maxims, the kind that urge one to “think much of death, dwell on it continually” and all that.

As for the technical skill of the poems, I think their appearance of simplicity is somewhat deceptive. Upon a second reading you catch all sorts of little things, little interesting evidences of artistry built in here and there. I’m thinking, for example, of the alliteration that characterizes many passages, e.g. the 3rd stanza of “Memento”: “They cried over an old comb/that still had some hairs/twirling through its teeth./Yet they laughed a little too.” Instances of assonance crop up repeatedly as well. Then there’s the neat effect in “Complexity,” whose first stanza is unmetered but whose second and final one becomes iambic hexameter, which matches the theme of all life ending with a finale of heart failure: “And all the time you thought/that life was so complex./It’s just the beat of a drum:”. The closing line after this, which says simply “Thump-thump,” serves to bring out explicitly the beat established in the previous three lines. And if you want to read it as a trochee, which more nearly matches the beat of a heart, it inverts the previous iambic pattern, tripping it up and ending the poem on an even more jarring final note, which is also thematically appropriate.

In order to enjoy these poems, it may help to know in advance that Tom is absolutely terrified of death. I don’t think I’m letting any cat out of a bag here. This fear comes out clearly in his MY WORK IS NOT YET DONE (where it receives an interesting and unusual moment of purgation or even semi-redemption in the final line). In DEATH POEMS, I see the peak moment for this personalizing of the subject appearing in “The Taste”, where Tom/the poet relates briefly the experience of being told that you will die soon, and then being told afterward that the diagnosis was mistaken, and then having to live with the remembered horror of that news in light of the fact that death is still inevitable anyway, is still approaching inexorably to arrive at some unspecified date in the future, which leads you to wish you hadn’t heard the news, hadn’t tasted how it felt. “If only you hadn’t listened to them./If only you had no ears to hear,/and no mouth with which to taste.” This sort of thing really speaks to me, despite, or actually due to, the deliberately distanced, spare tone in which the poems are written, which hints at an inconsolable horror buried deep beneath a cultivated casualness.

So in sum, the book worked for me. The little bells and whistles I noticed are subordinate to the simple fact that I had a positive reaction to it. I feel quite an affection for it, and I hope there are a few other readers out there who will feel the same. I'm glad to see that damo, at least, expresses the same degree of liking that I feel.
 
This has been an interesting thread, and (as usual) Matt: I believe you are spot on in thinking that this book is full of poems that are not so simply constructed as they appear, either in form or content.

I'd like to state unequivocally that Death Poems has become one of my very favorites from Tom's oeuvre (poetry or fiction). I knew from the beginning that this was quality work of a very different kind from his prose, and I also realized that some Ligotti readers would dislike the apparent simplicity of the writing. IMO, this apparent simplicity is most deceptive. Tom is able to pull of a complete book of short, meditative poems which contain some of the most musical, succinct language I've ever read by him. The content of those poems is at once insightful, funny, and (to squeeze an overused, sentimental adjective) heartbreaking. Having been well acquainted with observing death and dying in my own life, Death Poems strikes me as utterly true and unpretentious in its candid discussion of our shared fate.

I quote the following poem, "The Note," in its entirety, as a prime example of TL's mastery of both form and subject:

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The Note

Everyone says that
the universe is a marvel.
But you never thought that.

Everyone says that
life is well worth having.
But you never thought that.

What you thought
was contained in a note
pinned to your hanging body.

Everyone thought that
Your hand was beautiful.
But they never said anything.

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"The Note," to me, so concisely sums up the poignant tragedy of living in and dying out of a world in which everyone and everything is ultimately alienated (or seems alienated) from everyone and everything else. The last stanza is both an ironic and (I think) an incredibly moving meditation on our inability to truly communicate with or ultimately value each other as perhaps we should. As usual, Tom's use of Second Person is brilliant, particularly given this theme of alienation. The reader becomes the suicide, while the poem's speaker (impossibly) comments upon the aftermath of "your own" death. Simply astonishing.

Simply put, this book of poetry is unique in my reading experience (which is fairly considerable where poetry is concerned). As has been stated previously, the book itself is gorgeous from top to bottom. Though $80+ is a lot to pay for any book, I believe that this one is well worth the money. Already it has become one of my most prized possessions.
 
To tell the truth, I am at the same time amazed and disappointed. Amazed because the poem is well written and the construction is very cunning. I remember that after listening to "I Have a Special Plan For This World", I was mesmerized by how Ligotti can create something utterly frightening and unpredictable, using simple words. You are right Dr. Locrian, "The Note" is unforgettable.
At the same time I was disappointed with my stupidity. The ending of this poem, if it were referring to me, should sound like this:

Everyone always told you that
Death Poems is worth having
But you never bought it
 
Based on the reviews here, I decided to go and plunk down the green for a copy of Death Poems from eBay. Won't say what I paid, since I don't want the IRS to know my true financial status :twisted:

So thanks to those who previously posted comments on Death Poems - I wasn't sure if that one was going to appeal to me, but now I'm really looking forward to getting my copy...
 
Dr Zirk,

So you were the one who bought the signed copy of Death Poem!

I think you won't be disappointed, and the fact that it is signed should add to its gorgeousness. All in all, I think that you've paid a good price (I won't disclose it here either ;))
 
I just finished reading Death Poems last night, and I'm really enthralled. As Matt Cardin pointed out in an earlier post, the banal surface is half the fun, and is well accentuated by the packaging.

At least for me, the physical form of the book immediately brought to mind those cheesy "my journal" books that you see in greeting card stores like Hallmark, even down to the marbled end-papers and the space for you to enter your name (can't remember the exact wording, but it's something like "These Death Poems belong to..."). Some of the journals I've seen include inspirational poetry, usually of a stunningly vacuous nature.

The blank pages at the end are a perfect coda, elegantly completing the "my journal" experience. Now that the reader has been suitably inspired by the inspirational poems, he or she is ready to wax eloquent with with prose pictures of puffy clouds and puppy dogs.

Death Poems has instantly become one of my favorite TL pieces. It goes to a unique level by incorporating the physical form of the book into the overall "joke" - a true manifestation of the trickster spirit. Great stuff!
 
I just came across a review of Death Poems on the SpiderWords web site.

Although I don't agree with the reviewer on all points, it is a thoughtful piece and manages to get well past the surface. Definitely worth a read if you're as intrigued by the Death Poems as I am.
 
How about posting 'Death Poems' one at a time, day by day, for the benefit of those of us who never got our hands on the book?
The same would be much appreciated for 'Things They Will Never Tell You' and 'Envoi'. I cannot be the only one who is aching to read these poems after all this time.
 
How about posting 'Death Poems' one at a time, day by day, for the benefit of those of us who never got our hands on the book?
The same would be much appreciated for 'Things They Will Never Tell You' and 'Envoi'. I cannot be the only one who is aching to read these poems after all this time.

Mr Ligotti would have to approve such a thing, of course, as copyright expressly forbid anyone from doing so without permission. I sympathize with those who missed out, though.
 
Also, if you are interested in buying a copy of Death Poems, I can find out if Tom still has copies available. He may, and if he does, it may give you an opportunity to get a signed, inscribed copy. Let me know and I'll find out for you.
Tim
 
Also, if you are interested in buying a copy of Death Poems, I can find out if Tom still has copies available. He may, and if he does, it may give you an opportunity to get a signed, inscribed copy. Let me know and I'll find out for you.
Tim

It would be great if that were possible Tim.
 
I spoke with him today, and he does have more copies. PM me and I will give you instructions as to how to proceed.
Tim
 
If anyone is interested in obtaining a copy of Death Poems let me know. Tom may have copies of CATHR as well, which you could obviously get directly from him should you want one and if he has more. I've gotten several people asking me through PM's about DP, so I figured I'd let anyone else who may be interested know. If so, PM me and I'll give you the necessary info or inquire about availability. The way I see it, getting stuff directly from Tom is an opportunity that you'll not always have, so if you're interested, again, let me know.
 
Anyone any idea how to get Death Poems at the moment? I tried the way proposed by Ascrobius, but Thomas' mail seems to be dead, dead, dead. Any ideas, any offers, any possibilities, please? .-)
 
on getting Death Poems: check Bookfinder.com every few days, pray/sacrifice to your deity of choice for good luck. I was checking Bookfinder for used Grimscribes, having all but given up hope on the reprint, saw a DEATH POEMS link, and changed my shopping plans accordingly.

My review of Death Poems: The verse and the form-factor of the book remind me very strongly of Edward Gorey, even though it doesn't have the neat little drawings that Gorey is known for. it has the ideas Ligotti is known for, in neat little poems, in a neat little book. Lugubrious humor LIgotti style. My only gripe is the overall brevity of the book, but there's only so many ways to say "Nothing matters anyway, so don't panic" and only so many morbid jokes one can crack in the process.
 
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