Zapffe’s On the Tragic: An Attempted Translation

Zapffe’s On the Tragic: An Attempted Translation

Threads on previous efforts to translate On the Tragic:

[FONT=&quot]http://www.ligotti.net/showthread.php?t=11378[/FONT][FONT=&quot]

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]http://www.ligotti.net/showthread.php?t=6954[/FONT][FONT=&quot]

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]https://www.reddit.com/r/norge/comments/9l56td[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]/will_there_ever_be_a_translation_of_peter_wessel/[/FONT][FONT=&quot]

The second link contains the English-language summary included in the 1983 reprint. The third link provides an interesting discussion of the difficulties presented by Zapffe’s prose style.
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[FONT=&quot]First chapter.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]INTRODUCTION[/FONT]​
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[FONT=&quot]Zapffe outlines the purpose and methodological approach of the dissertation. The purpose is to increase our understanding of the tragic. The approach will be “biological” as well as “polyhistorical” in the sense that the relationship between the tragic and the conditions of organic life will be examined through various methods.

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As I mentioned in one of the previous Zapffe threads, there simply isn't enough of the man's work available in English. Any new translation must be regarded as a significant achievement, and I highly congratulate you on your work so far. I, for one, shall be eager for you to translate On the Tragic in its entirety.
 
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As I mentioned in one of the previous Zapffe threads, there simply isn't enough of the man's work available in English. Any new translation must be regarded as a significant achievement, and I highly congratulate you on your work so far. I, for one, shall be eager for you to translate On the Tragic in its entirety.

Thank you for your words of encouragement. Unfortunately, things are not so simple. On the Tragic is not in the public domain. The present copyright holder appears to be the University of Oslo, which might be all right. Still, I am wary of going beyond what might be considered "fair use", especially when the material is hosted on TLO. So an attempt at a full translation would definitely be pushing it. As a precaution, I have added a legal disclaimer of sorts to my original post.
 
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Would a Kickstarter of GoFundMe move help with the translation and/or the copyright issues? I think many of us on TLO would be more than willing to contribute to such a project.
 
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Would a Kickstarter of GoFundMe move help with the translation and/or the copyright issues? I think many of us on TLO would be more than willing to contribute to such a project.

Crowdfunding means getting permission from copyright holders. That means committing to delivering a complete, professional-level translation. And that means having the right credentials and putting in a few years of serious work. (On the Tragic clocks in at around 600 pages. Then there's the content itself.) What you would really need is a long-term scholarship. I'm also not sure whether the project announced back in 2016 has actually been discontinued.

I would like to keep this going as a fun little project where TLO members get to read some Zapffe without having to wait for years. I'm considering an arrangement where only the most recently translated content would be available on TLO (for reasons discussed above). The rest would be available elsewhere. How does that sound?
 
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Has anyone attempted to contact the University of Oslo? It would be nice to know if an English translation is in the works. I looked at their website last night, but I can't make heads or tails of it.
 
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ADA I appreciate the thought and consideration you have put into this. It shows that you very much respect both Zapffe and TLO. That is a very generous offer to TLO and the people on it. Just wanted to say thank you for that.
 
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Has anyone attempted to contact the University of Oslo? It would be nice to know if an English translation is in the works. I looked at their website last night, but I can't make heads or tails of it.

The OP of the third thread at the top of my original post stated the following: "The publishers that distribute his work (PAX) said that they have no future plans to translate his work, neither does the University of Oslo, who apparently holds the copyright to most of Zapffe's writings."
 
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Time for Update 1. I thought updating the top post might work best. I have provided a summary of the chapter so far. [FONT=&quot]Corrections and suggestions are welcome.[/FONT]

Note the jokes on p. 8. Zapffe is at times depicted as something like a prophet of doom. Many if not most present-day readers are familiar with him through “The Last Messiah”, so it is easy to see how that impression came about. But there is more to Zapffe. For one thing, he is frequently funny (as is Ligotti). [FONT=&quot]
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Time for a second update. That's it for Chapter 1. Tune in later for Chapter 2, in which things take a biological turn.
 
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thank you so much. truly. I've been inquiring about a translation now for some time and this is incredible news
 
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[FONT=&quot]This is Update 3, which covers the first pages of Chapter 2. The original post has been updated with new content. It may be helpful to read up on [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Jakob von Uexküll[/FONT][FONT=&quot], a pioneer of biosemiotics. Background material is provided below. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]a. Introduction[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]A discussion of Uexküll’s influence on Zapffe[/FONT][FONT=&quot].[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]b. The concept of Umwelt[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The Umwelt is the “placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity” inhabited by a particular organism, i.e. (the aspects of) the world that an organism is equipped to perceive and react to.
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[FONT=&quot]https://www.edge.org/response-detail/11498[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umwelt[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]c. Extra reading material[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]A Foray Into the Worlds of Animals and Humans – Google Books[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Umwelt und Innenwelt der Tiere[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (1909)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]https://archive.org/details/umweltundinnenwe00uexk/page/n4[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](the first edition, but can be of use for those who read German)[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Theoretical Biology[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (1926), an English translation of Theoretische Biologie (1920):[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]https://archive.org/details/theoreticalbiolo00uexk[/FONT]
 
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Has this ongoing translation been removed or am I just missing something? I was really enjoying finally being able to read this.
 
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it's written in riksmål norsk, not russian.

either way, a norwegian OCR pdf is available and the google translation is available currently. feel free to do whatever you like with it, even if that means taking the photos, the pdf, and doing your own translation.
 
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This is a commendable project. What follows is not meant as discouragement, but as advice.

To start off, I suggest removing mentions of selling physical copies from the web page. It might also be good to remove the joking suggestion that a previous translator met an untimely end. We are not dealing with the Necronomicon here ;)

The unedited machine translation is useful for getting an overview of the structure and content of "On the Tragic". As such it is a contribution, but it should not be used as a representation of what Zapffe actually wrote. I will exemplify.

A link to my translation of chapters 1 and 2 can be found here (I will remove it upon request).
This is not a professional translation, but can be used as a rough guide to the accuracy of the raw machine-translated text. The footnotes and bracketed comments are especially important from a translation perspective.

Some of the machine translated sentences are eerily good, but many are wrong in ways that are not apparent from the translated English. One example from chapter 1: Lat os si att dette sidste er opgaven. Word for word, this corresponds to "Let us say that this last is the-task". It is machine translated as "Let's say this is the last task." (p. 11 of the MT PDF). The English looks all right on the sentence level, but the actual meaning is "Let us say that this last [thing I mentioned in the previous paragraph] is the task."

I translated this as:

Or might I not even have any preconceived notion, viewing it as my task to approach the concept in a spirit of independence, giving it its rightful place through gradual approximation, eliminating sources of error?

[new paragraph]

Let us say that this is indeed our task.

In order to check the MT text against the original and turn it into a real translation, you need to be able to read the original without relying on machine translation – which requires advanced second language proficiency – or work with someone who can.

There is no getting around the necessity of reading and interpreting the original text, reaching your own understanding of what Zapffe wrote, and making appropriate choices along the way. Even if you have a background in philosophy, you will need to deal with lexical and syntactic difficulties, references to the Scandinavian literature and culture of the early 1900s, and so on. There are passages in the text that will be challenging even for native-level readers of Norwegian/Danish.

Here is a comparison between a reasonably elaborate passage in machine translation and as translated by a human:

p. 107-108 in the translated PDF file:

Only at one point the erkjendende be safety in the strict everyday sense. Whatever his destiny should endure, it must end death. And even though death comes late, the plagues of the age will catch up with him his time and make his mark on his life regardless of the desires and plans he has still had to maintain. This knowledge of death , our surplus knowledge-perhaps their bitterest gift, is already given to us in childhood; on the move down the river of life, the waterfall of death stands high above the valley. Many people try to overdo it with its own rubbing, but the silence afterwards only doubles Frygtelig. However, not all are marked as strongly and not in the same way. There is a great distance from the pure knowledge of the duration of its life to its purity enlightening anticipation of the dissolution process with all the glowing questions arising therefrom and with the strange light falling over all human activity. It hears from battlefields and cemeteries the living thunder of what was. Great works crashed over great ruins, and behind the scenes of events, he sees the quiet millions who are busy utensils and plows as the storms of history pulled over their heads. Nu everything is quiet, what succeeded and what did not succeed, the difference is deleted. The world ruler and the nameless victim, here they mix land and here they swap land, while new badgers froth over the plain, charged with unused power. The earth breathes like a big lung, life out and even through all pores. The story of everything is gripped by the sighted as fiery fellow living of the unfathomability of renewal and the nightmare of repetition in the greatest at least.

Some bits are fine, some bits are subtly (and for the second-language reader, dangerously) wrong. Then you have the bits that are obviously, humorously wrong, like the frothing badgers. But the devil is in the details.

The same passage as translated by me:

On only one point can the experiencer be certain – in the every-day understanding of the term. No matter how his fate might unfold, it will end in death. And even if death comes late, the torments of old age will catch up with him in time and dictate the terms of his life without any regard to the desires and plans he might still have left. This knowledge of death, perhaps the most bitter gift of our surplus of consciousness, is given to us as early as in childhood; during our journey down the river of life, the distant roar of the waterfall of death reaches across the valley. Many attempt to drown it out by making noises of their own, but the stillness that follows only becomes twice as fearful. However, all are not affected as strongly, nor in the same way. There is a vast distance between a dry awareness of the duration of the life span and the utterly devastating [imaginary] pre-experiencing of the process of dissolution, with all the burning questions that thereby arise and the strange light that is cast upon all human affairs. From battlefields and graveyards the living man hears the thunder of that which once was. Great works lie toppled upon the ruins of great works, and behind the pageantry he espies the silent millions who labored and tilled the soil while the tumult of history raged past above their heads. Now all is still, both that which came to fruition and that which came to naught; the difference has been leveled out. The ruler of the earth and the nameless victim – here they mix dust and here they exchange dust, while new peoples surge across the plains, charged with fresh vigor. The earth breathes like a great lung; the living emerge and the dead are sucked in through every pore. (1) The history of all creation is encompassed by the painfully vivid co-experience [medoplevelse] of renewal on an incomprehensibly vast scale, and the nightmare of recurrence in great things and in small.

(1) Literally liv ut og lik ind, literally ”life/living beings [go] out and corpses [go] in”.
A translation that tries to capture the flavor of the original might go along the lines of "Out go the living, in go the dead, through every pore".
 
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An excerpt from an interview with Zapffe in which he discusses “On the Tragic” is available on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub6cJ7mr15k

Some viewers on YouTube have asked for a translation, so I thought I would try my hand at one. (???) indicates an uncertain transcription. The program was originally broadcast on December 15th, 1974. On Zapffe’s death in 1990, Norwegian public television appears to have described him as a "humorist, existentialist philosopher and mountain climber", in that order.

INTERVIEWER (shown leafing through a copy of “On the Tragic”): How was it possible to deal with such a cheerless subject in this manner?

ZAPFFE: I did not set out with enthusiasm. More than anything it was an attempt to heal my own depression and melancholy and that sort of thing … an attempt to transfer the emotional onto a rational foundation in order to transform it into an outlook on life (livsanskuelse) based on knowledge and thought instead of just being mired in melancholy and that sort of thing. And this was successful – only to a certain degree, of course. Because the great mystery goes on nonetheless. And we always reach a limit beyond which we can no longer use our thinking, because all our categories of understanding are only valid within the domain of our experience and when we go beyond it, that will not do.

I: You wrote your dissertation on the tragic. Would it have been equally appealing to write about the comic?

Z: I do not view the tragic and the comic as phenomena that exist side by side [on the same level]. I defined the tragic in such a way that it would not be possible to describe it using other words such as “unhappy” and “sad” and “dispiriting” and “catastrophic” and so on. What I called “the tragic” was a specific sequence of events. But, as it happens, in the field of theater, the comic and the tragic are interconnected, because when we talk about the tragic … we associate tears with the tragic and laughter with the comic. So when we talk about “tragic” in that sense we can view them as being on the same level. But I would need many more lifetimes at my disposal if I were to begin doing that, because the amount of work involved would be colossal. Among other things, you would need to distinguish between the “humorous” and the “comic” and the “funny” and the “laughable” and parody and satire and travesty [burlesque] and sarcasm and all kinds of … everything that causes laughter but (??? still does not have anything in common. ???)

I: (??? The relationship between the tragic and the optimistic Zapffe seems a bit paradoxical to me. ???) Are you as pessimistic as you claim to be in your philosophical writings?

Z: It depends entirely on the question at hand. Of course I try to begin from a position of objectivity: some things look bright to me and some things look dark and then it becomes a matter of how you choose to be perceived.

I: What looks dark to you?

Z: The future of mankind looks dark.

I: Does it look darker to you now than when you wrote your dissertation in 1940?

Z: Certainly. I think it is steadily getting darker.

I: What do you see …

Z: (interrupting) And I am also pessimistic with regard to the meaning that humans find in their lives and so on. (??? That is also my impression. ???)

I: But if we look at the future of mankind, what exactly do you see that gives you cause for pessimism?

Z: I do not think this would be appropriate for this TV program … this which I see... No, I do not think so. Well, I see before me total chaos and pandemonium, to use the proper term, all evil spirits let loose, and then migrations, plundering bands and so on and so on, and the collapse of all forms of governance and order.

I: (???… time is right?)

Z: No, no, no. This I do not know.
 
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